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| MOBI Guru  Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
Antero, If you just happen to look closely at my posts, you will notice that I too use my own name , both in my profile which you have access to and in the signature block at the bottom. It is nice to be an ideologist, but ideology equips people with blinkers. You don't live in our home, WE do. You don't have the results of the acoustic profile of our home, that shows levels of low frequency and infra sound in excess of 90dB, WE do. You don't have the test results by professors of otolaryngology from Washington School of medicine on the effect of low frequency and infra sound, WE do. You don't have the results of extensive studies conducted by NASA in the early 80's that show the high levels of low frequency and infra sound produced by large industrial wind turbines, WE do. Now hear this, I am getting tired of narrow minded ideologically driven people saying that the noise from turbines is harmless or that our problems are psychological and are all in our head. The noise in our house is not the gently sighing of the breeze, we could live with that. The noise is infra sonic, amplitude modulated, low frequency sound. The resultant rapid attack and decay, irregular pulsing inside our heads can not be blocked out with ear plugs and makes sleep difficult and very disturbed. My wife and I (and thousands like us) have been trying to live with this noise and its debilitating effects for years now, and we are gradually becoming more sensitised and more affected. I admire your ideology and indeed, share it, but until you get the facts, I suggest you shut up. David M. |
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| M Del Senior Member  Joined: 09/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 155 |
Not to get political with this but there are a lot of things in todays society that are either banned, heavily regulated or only used with extreme PPE. In my industry asbestos was claimed to be safe and all suggestions there was any risk was poo pood. The early medical and safety people who claimed there was risk involved were vilified by industry, government and the rest of the medical profession. Thalidomide was guaranteed safe and Dr McBride was nearly deregistered till the evidence became too big too ignore. We now do not use either product. Military Aviation fuel uses several ingredients that were constantly declared safe but are now declared known carcinogens, a severe risk to women who might want to have children. Some operators work a short time exposed to the fumes and are the reassigned. It is also risky for a male who's partner is considering pregnancy as the residue might be passed on via clothes washing, also the effects on the male are still not fully known. The long term effects of being covered by it in a spill are unknown and are yet to be determined. But the couple of spill victims (hose & connector failures)I have seen get physically sick from the smell alone. Having spent long months in the past living in close proximity to large diesel generators (some members have had to be moved to other areas), occasional gym sessions where the instructors run (inspirational?)music at full volume and sitting in traffic next to a duf duf cars I support Mobi's take on his situation. I could turn off the gen sets in my mind, but the music was unbearable, even with ear plugs. Good luck David Mark |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
Been holding trap for a while now ,, but here goes---- I don't mind a short ,sharp discussion on someones views -- let it be . But , if you take the time to read back on this particular subject , It clearly points to one mans point of view , and he certainly is pushing it. OK, he might be right, but ,this is principly an engineering forum -- from day one ,oh, bye the way , I was one of them day one F&P guys that started this forum . So, lets get back to the nuts and bolts , bring back real invertors like trev and Phill ,lets get back to where we started --- If you look at the micro-controller section , it is doing fine ,, so why not make a political/ green/ save the frog / section for the sprukers ... I'd luv that .. bye the way , I've just converted a huge Toridial transformer from a grid tie inverter into my 6000watt inverter --more to come. Bruce Bushboy |
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| Jarbar Senior Member Joined: 03/02/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 224 |
Mobi, would it be possible for one of the forum members to stay a night or two at your abode by the wind farm.I for one am interested in experiencing whether the noise is akin to the main road I live near or worse. I am sure you said earlier that you have to leave home for periods up to three days to get some relief so this might mean the above is a plausible idea.Although I live in Melbourne a few days away would be appreciated. Anthony.  "Creativity is detirmined by the way you hold your tounge".My Father "Your generation will have to correct the problems made by mine".My Grandfather. |
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| MOBI Guru Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
Hello Anthony, Yes, anyone is welcome to stay at our home, but remember that the frequencies are sub audible except for the 50Hz components and therefore are not "heard" but rather are perceived. I was affected almost immediately the turbines were turned on, my wife took 4 years to be affected in any way and is now as affected as I am. We are in the process of selling our farm to the couple who have been managing for the last 3 years. At first they could only hear the blade "whoosh" but it wasn't a problem. After 2 years, they could sense the sharp, low frequency "pulsing", but it wasn't a problem. Now after three years, the pulsing is becoming more than a little aggravating. They still are proceeding with the property purchase because they agreed to (gentlemanly) and because they not significantly affected - yet. Neither are we badly affected to the same degree every night, but certainly more than enough to need regular respite to be able to retain some semblance of sanity. The above is not a "cop out" - just don't expect instant adverse reaction. Remember that we are subject to the noise for at least half of the waking hours and all of the bed time hours. My wife and I are currently in western Sydney - we arrived yester evening. We both had peaceful sleeps last night - we are about 300mtrs from the Great Western Highway and about 3km from the western freeway. I can assure you that the highway noise is nothing like turbine noise. For a start, we can shut the windows and curtains and the bulk of the road noise is shut out. This can not be done with the turbine noise. My tinnitus is down to a barely perceptible level. At home, it shrieks at me. Now, I "hear" nothing inside my head, its b...y wonderful. When we get home, the acoustics team from Adelaide University (emeritus professor Colin Hansen)is coming specifically to measure the sonic profile of our home. I had testing done 12 months ago but the sensory instrument was already suffering about a 3dB roll off at 5Hz. Add to that the short coming of the software that produced a 10 minute RMS level. This means that the peaks (1.414 higher than RMS) were not shown. This new test will have much more sensitive equipment. I'll keep you posted as to the results when they come to hand. But I reiterate, all forum members are welcome to stay a night or two. David M. |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
this is Anteror's thread. I've been enjoying his posts and links on the progress of alternate energy/fuels from Europe i like his optimistic attitude towards the future and agree that in many way we are being held back . sadly he is very much mistaken about where Santa Claus comes from as every one knows the north pole is in Canada. but Mobi shouldn't tell him to shut up on his own thread. Mobi has a thread of his own. on the health issues surrounding large commercial wind farms. much more than n.i.m.b.y. complaints, these appear to be legitimate concerns people around the world are voicing. they need to be addressed . we don't want to trade one form of pollution for another. |
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| MOBI Guru Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
I agree that I shouldn't need to. But if someone implies that I hide behind a pseudonym when I clearly don't (my full name and details is in my profile)or that wind turbine noise is BS when I have the evidence that it is not and am severely impacted by it, then they will cop a reply on that thread. I agree that discussion on industrial wind turbines should be on the thread I created and not "factory made..." yes, it is Anteror's thread but perhaps the contents of his posts don't match the title either. David M. |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
well there you go, you see, i thought your handle was mobi, because you were a bit of a dick, but i was wrong . you really are quite sensitive. |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Back to.. I had a long call, from my friend, here in Finland and first 30Kw unit, is coming here soon, from; http://www.huayaturbine.com/ Also the inverters and all the systems to it, are coming from Huayaturbine. We have here several 5-10-20kw units, but they have systems and inverters from SMA, Siemens etc For ecample; http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6394&PN =1 This system is totally, from Huayaturbine. I will write and tell you all about, how it is working. Antero PS My system produced today with wind over 20Kwh and my floors are warm. Our house is self built, very low energy house, to us old grows, to my wife Sari and me. All the lights are LED. No more wood burning, something better to do 
Waiting, to have and drive, electric car. Driving with the power, from wind, that I wait and I WILL !, make it happen, just like I made to happen, my own power, to my house  !!
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isaiah Guru Joined: 25/12/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 303 |
Might be better off with a car with a good woodgasifire installed on it, better for the environment.. Isaiah URL=http://www.motherearthnews.com/Renewable-Energy/1973-11- 01/The-Plowboy-Interview.aspx>The Plowboy Interview[/URL> |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
I read this whole section through, this evening and I must say, it is not bad at all and I specially thank everybody, who has been together, in this path and journey. Writers and readers, thank you ! We REALLY need new beginning and as I said before; "Now we have tablets and 3g.. 4g etc and everything in our lifes is actually defined, by all this. It ALL beginned in silicon valley and there garages, "Back Sheds", as we are here, now in THE Back Shed forum.. 
NOW we, however.. ALL use these solutions, in our everyday life. But as we all know, there was a special moment and the "Silicon Valley wonder", as well as a very SPECIAL spirit, to do all that. This is also, our special moment, to solve our energy matters, like that. But we need somebody special.. to do that ? This is our moment. Waiting ?" (Copy, what I said earlier.) Waiting is over ! Something very SPECIAL has happened, to give us the spirit and truths about our world. Special moment and spirit gives us; JAMES CAMERON, with this document. Films; Avatar, Titanic, Abys, Terminator, Rambo, Aliens etc etc Films; http://movies.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/james-cameron-films.h tm Also in this document and producers; Harrison Ford Arnold Schwarzenegger etc THE truth, about the condition, of our world ! Document film; Years of living dangerously. Scientific facts; NASA etc It has 9 episodes. The first episode, is out; http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/14/new-tv-series-years-livi ng-dangerously-climate-change-near-future-video/ You can see it here, for free; http://350.org/watch-years/ We need this "Silicon valley wonder" again, HERE and NOW, with our energy solutions ! Spirit, is RAISING ! James Cameron, Harrison Ford, Arnold Schwarzenegger will do the spirit and THE DIFFERENCE 
IT is NOW, or never !
Antero Rantanen Finland PS You can watch this document from your TV with your family/friends, from your laptop/pc with HDMI cable and wireless keyboard with touch pad and your TV is internet. |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Is this not the same crap just in a different thread as has been blocked before, and the same crap also posted in a different thread elsewhere on the forum. How many times do you need to post the same bullsh*t, as once is enough!! Give us a break and learn some forum etiquette, and stop posting duplicates of your political views that you think we should all follow. Dont you get the hint that Gizmo has blocked your last 2 posts because they are rubbish, and then you go and double post the same crap again. Are you out to want to be band from the forum, as you appear to be going the right way to achieve that? WAKE UP! Sometimes it just works |
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fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
I could'nt agree more with you Pete , this has been going on long enough with worthless rubbish being plastered by Antero , fair enough if it his all aboutHIS SOLAR/ WIND set up but it always seems to be about HIS OPINION ON THE WORLD{/B] and telling everybody to do something about it ..... PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE !{/B]  PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
I agree, as I posted 3 weeks ago . The guy has his good points ,pity he's more directed at "changing the world" , than building solar/wind things. I was banned from another "chat " forum some time back , It's not nice , I suffered badly . You know ,you think you are doing what you think is right, but forget ,that not everyone thinks like you. And ,I was definetly not political, it came down to my ignorance of electrical theory, or something like that .We move on !!. Lets give him a go, even though he's dead beat on preaching things that have nothing to do with "backshed tools " he must be hurting a bit , I'll bet you ,but he's not a bad fellow to have ,as long as we hear more of his windmill things Bruce Bushboy |
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| MOBI Guru Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
I also agree. We are doing our best to damage this planet, and as long as we remain heavily industrialised, we will continue to do so. Every place on this earth has its own conditions when it comes to wind and solar energy. Finland may have significant wind all year round and can pretty well rely on it. Where I live (in the middle of a wind farm), every day we totally lose our wind resource for significant and erratic periods. Some days we have no wind at all for days on end. All the wind capacity we have must, whether we like it or not, be backed up by coal fired electricity - because we have nothing else that can provide the power that our country greedily devours. If you take the time to do your sums, you will likely find that wind power in OZ is as good as useless. I wish it were not. Solar is nearly as bad but at least we can count on at least a fixed amount each day (more when there is no shade). An example of differing impacts of wind power is USA and Germany. USA has a goodly amount of coal seam gas (and I believe still some nuclear) and so has a pretty cheap and relatively continuous base load and can absorb the vagaries of the wind. Germany was in the same boat until it got rid of much (if not all) of its nuclear - the country has nearly turned inside out and is rebuilding/commissioning coal plants again to retain industry and affordable power. Our electricity grid is wide spread with main generation systems close to cities and industry. The wind/solar "farms" are mostly situated in rural areas far from the sources of demand. This requires that our distribution system be duplicated in reverse to get the remote power to the cities. This might be acceptable if wind farms operated anywhere near their rated capacity but instead they are lucky if they can manage 30% at best - "ours" manages around 20% and there are turbines in this country that actually run as net users because when the wind doesn't blow they all consume what is termed "parasitic" power. Yes, I know this is the wrong thread but it had already been bastardised. Sorry. But, there is a great deal about wind power (and to a lesser degree, solar), that we in the public are not being told and there are not enough people with "budgie smugglers" big enough to tackle the issue properly. David M. |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
OK David give it a rest ,for gods sake -- you are just pouring petrol on the fire.. Bruce Bushboy |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Here is more info about this document; http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/20/years-living-dangerously -whos/ Antero |
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MacGyver Guru Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
From A Different Point of View I, for the most part, agree that since this IS a windmill / solar forum, we should stay on topic with ideas, builds and basically 'nuts-and-bolts' stuff. HOWEVER Step away and look at how many pages this thread has developed into. From a Web builder's perspective, stuff like this is the golden egg. It attracts attention and feeds into the general scheme of what a forum is all about. I'm from the States, so much of what goes on as regards Australia flies over my head and when things turn to talking about such stuff, I bow out. I'll admit, I haven't read this entire (epic) treatise, and don't intend to, but from Gizmo's perspective, unless it gets down to name calling, this has to be way better than no posts at all. . . . . . IMHO Mac Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Doubtless, it is easy to live, when you DO NOT KNOW 
BUT, do you go to dentist and do not open your mouth. JUST..go home, but later on you can see, it would be worth, to do something. Or do you go to blood test, X-ray etc and DO NOT WANT to know the results. IT is just the same, if you DO NOT WANT to know, the real state of this world. THIS document; Years of Living Dangerously Will give us the BIG picture and real knowledge and the TRUTH about this. Scientific FACTS from NASA etc Big names, to reveal the REAL TRUTH, about all in this !! When you know the REAL status, situation of your health, then AND ONLY THEN, you can get right kindof treatment !!
This is OUR special moment, to understand this and make the change, to heal. The spirit is raising, to do this. NOW, or never and THE big question is now; TO be, NOT to BE and ARE we stupid, or something 
(we are, but we have, here and NOW the ONLY possibility, to learn and evolve, in our humankind history) When methane comes out from the Siberian and other.. permafrost, then there is really nothing to do, to save, heal this planet ! It needs, just few more average temperature degrees, to happen. Oceans and coral reefs and their ecosystems die, too. Antero |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Some words, from the producer James Cameron and other Big names; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2Cd3Dwwnk Take this MOMENT seriously. THERE is NO !! other moment, for us ! There is no democrat, republican, nor religion. This CONNECTS, us all. Antero |
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