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norcold Guru  Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
250 million years ago to the north 10k of my location was 9 volcanoes, they pushed out 2,000 km square of "debris". Think about that 2000km square. No life existed here then as we know it. 250 million years is but a heart beat in the earths life. Believed to be 4 billion years. Climate Change is continuous if it weren`t we`d be a dead world, not capable of supporting life as we know it. The consensus is we are causing the current climate change, our collective ego is enormous. As a species our problem is overpopulation, simple as that. Like all those who read this post I`m not going to hold my breath. 
We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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isaiah Guru Joined: 25/12/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 303 |
The high powers that be are well aware of that situation and that is why they are trying to kill us off softly!! URL=http://www.motherearthnews.com/Renewable-Energy/1973-11- 01/The-Plowboy-Interview.aspx>The Plowboy Interview[/URL> |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Isiah, Whilst to a certain extent I envy you for your obvious faith that there is a higher power, for that would give us a purpose. I am faithless and believe we are but simply another animal species and that our ego and desire for an afterlife drives us to believe otherwise. Totally my opinion certainly not a judgement. But positively we will survive, we are obtaining the technology to move on. Have you read Dan Brown`s novel(of "The Da Vinci Code" fame) "Inferno". Fiction it is, but very thought provoking? We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Correction- to my post 2 back. That is 2000 cubic kilometres not squares kilometres. Mt St Helens threw out 1.5 cubic kilometres of ash, lava etc. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
I started this reply a few days back, than binned it thinking i was the only one with these views to climate change. After the last few posts, i see im not totally alone with my thinking, so will post my view................ I honestly question what is dubbed "Climate Change" and tend to think its "Climate Cycles", not to say man has not effected it, by cutting down and burning the lungs of the planet, being the trees and other destructive influences we do. But we must also realize this planet has been through much worst conditions over the past millions of years and survived, actually prospered as we know it today. All things change in time, and a knee jerk reaction can be as dangerous as no action at all. Then a volcano could fart tomorrow and equal similar emissions to what man would do over 10 - 2000 years. Australia was once a inland sea, our polar ice caps were once a lush forest, and the list of changes go on............ Change has been a part of this planet from day one and it keeps evolving, slowly over billions of years. I often wonder if its the planet changing and man dont like the changes, and want to control it to suit our comfort zone, or is it actually man making the climate change with in the last 200 years, which takes about one small volcano eruption to equal the 200 man years. Earthquakes, cyclones, volcano, metors, etc, all will change the planet faster than man ever will, and always has done. Man dont like change that we can not control, and feel a need to dominate what things we can not control. We tried to control the weather, but failed, and gave up, now we want to control the planet, ...... Hmmm? whats the odds on that one working too. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member  Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
the climate must be fairly stable down there in the tropics, sweet. i just checked a map. the southern most tip of New Zealand is about the same latitude south as my location north, but the climate is moderated by the ocean. lots of changes going on up here in the north. the treeline is moving north all around the arctic, Canada, Russia, Finland too. |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Other then electrical storms in summer, which blow the s~~~~ out of your wind turbine, and the odd cyclone each year, the tropics are pretty "stable". On the matter of trees, on our land(NQ goldfields)which I have wandered over for 30 odd years, have noticed the indigenous Cyprus pines have been thinning out. Whilst we`ve put that down to dry years, it could be seen as an indication of climate change. But I wonder if 30 years or even 3000 years is enough time to put a trend on things. I guess if you look you`ll find "evidence" of whatever, if you wish. But you can be sure of one thing there is, has and always will be climate change. I recall there was some speculation in the scientific community back in the 70`s, earth was entering a ice age but at the same time some scientific bodies were saying that earth was coming out of a small ice age. By modern computer modelling the consensus is we are entering a warming period. Only time will tell, and the only time frame we can really look at with any certainty is that of history, and our view of the science there has many contradictions. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Have spent a fair bit of time surfing web, re the way this thread has gone, and ensuring any claims I make have some "essence", too confused to call them facts. Here is a more recent one, that turns us back to the 70`s thinking. http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/report-scientists-predict- a-century-of-global-cooling/ We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
did'nt mean to imply Australian weather was dull or uninteresting . it appears to be quite exciting at times!! but since The Dominion is partially frozen, a few degrees mean temperature increase can make a big difference in how much snow i shovel. or if there is now a north west passage. |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Hey electrondady1, No didn`t take it you were implying our weather was dull or uninteresting. Although it is to a certain extent. It`s just my Nth. Oz sense of humour, even our Sth Oz cousins have a wee problem with that humour, thus their reference to Nth Oz people being "mad as cut snakes". I guess it is an Oz thing we enjoy taking the "mickey" out of each other. Just a fun pastime. Currently we are giving the visiting Pom Ashes cricket team a taste of that, and we enjoy above all giving the Poms plenty. They`ve urned it.
We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| MOBI Guru Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
Oh, I do like the subtle reference to the "urn" (ashes???) Who said us Mexicans don't understand the far north sense of humour? David M. |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
I can`t claim the urned. It was in the comments on the ABC web site. Interestingly that comment was answered by someone correcting the spelling, which was answered by another contributor. "Some educated people just don`t get it" But really unless you have an interest in ashes test cricket, it would sail straight over to the boundary. You "Mexicans", prepared a bloody good pitch and a top test, not only because we won, Adelaide tests have always had a distinct flavour. Gotta get down and watch one live. Electrondady1 We affectionately call those who live south of the Nth Oz borders, "Mexicans". I guess it comes from the song, from south of your way, "South of the border down Mexico way" We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Nelson Mandela; http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/06/2-big-climate-lessons-ve nerable-nelson-mandela/ I have read everything he has wrote. I recommend that you also read everything ! I think Nelson Mandela; was the the biggest, boldest and THE most honorable "Human beeing" so far ! "It always seems impossible, untill it is done" Mandela, really showed uss all, how it is done !! Antero |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
As Nelson Mandela's legacy; We need a Truth Commission very quickly how to deal with the energy crisis and chemicals, especially plastics which is drifting to our oceans, that kills the food chain. We ALL need truth all about these and FAST; http://www.futurity.org/plastic-bits-additives-kill-ocean-cr eatures/ http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-microplastic-is-poisoni ng-the-ocean-ecosystem Plastics in the oceans; Video; "Worlds biggest garbage dump - plastic in the Ocean" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxNqzAHGXvs Chemicals ? Etc Truth comission about all this, that is what we need JUST now. Or else.. Antero |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
BUT, as Alan Greenspan said; "it is all depending of the human nature!" That was the only thing, he was right, in his speaches.. Antero |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Gotta agree a Truth commission would be great, except I somehow doubt any commission really gets the truth. Our Western system operates with the consensus being portrayed as the truth. Unfortunately history has and will always show that is not always so. From my viewpoint any scientist who is receiving finance and all others supported by any such consensus should be required to sign a document stating all monies will be returned to source if such consensus is revealed as being incorrect anytime in the future. Perhaps then when people have to "put their hand up" they will not hop on gravy trains so quickly. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Alan Greenspan worked for a private organisation called the us federal reserve. Yes it is a private company who controls what happens worldwide financially. A few words from Mr Greenspan would effect your mortgage repayments. USA have not been able to nationalize the usfr, UK managed to nationalize the bank of England but only because of world war II. JFK was trying to nationalize the usfr before he was assassinated. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
WE make our own history HERE and right NOW ! Antero |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
easy now, easy, get your papers ready. 
you should surrender to this young Finnish woman antero. give your self up before it's too late :) |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
We had again a strong and THE worst storm, that I have never seen. Called "Seija" storm. http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_ t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fkotimaa %2Fart-1288631746137.html&act=url I have built altogether 22 houses. This latest I built here in seashore and very robust, with my wife, to be our pension house. Last evening and in the night, I felt myself very.. litle, so litle that I have never felt. I always thought that when I built this house, it will take even the worst storms. I was wrong. Antero |
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