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| tomqu7 Senior Member  Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
dynamic braking and resistor see email so must need a controller ?????? |
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fillm Guru  Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Heres the pics , looks like the old mixed with the new and dumped in Aus . 
PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
The plot thickens even deeper, with yet another older version of alternators. That model was before my involvement and i have not seen the bench test results from that model, althought my guess would be it was originally rated as 2Kw with the early test methods used, but later testing methods showed different results and OEM derated most of their mills by about 50%. So i would class it as a good 1kw mill, which is what you could expect it to produce within a safe working range. Phill might know more about this model than me, but due to the slip rings used in it and other factors, if it was me i would not be pushing it to 2kw. We still dont know if it is wired in Star or Delta, and this will effect the rpm to power range of a given voltage range. On average i would guess Star, but some limited models were produced in Delta. Pete. Edit.... On a little closer inspection i think the controller is one of the much earlier designs, also before my involvement, and that model controller dont have logging built into it or even able to change the programmed settings. The information on the web site referes to the latest designed controller not the old early models. If its a later new model controller it will have terminals for the anemometer and a computer 9 pin socket on it for the logging, the early controllers did not have these functions. Also the early controllers dumped power from the batteries to control the mill. Sometimes it just works |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
Cheap and high efficiency CPV and battery storage are coming, it may be a year or two away but they are coming make no mistake about that and they will be the obvious choice in the future, no longer will households be tied to ever increasing power bills where they pay for gold plated networks that are no longer needed. found this RE CPV CERAMIC FUEL CELLS ?????? |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
Concentrated photovoltaic (CPV) technology uses optics such as lenses or curved mirrors to concentrate a large amount of sunlight onto a small area of solar photovoltaic (PV) cells to generate electricity. Compared to non-concentrated photovoltaics, CPV systems can save money on the cost of the solar cells, since a smaller area of photovoltaic material is required. |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
IN MY AREA ARE WINDMILLS FOR BORE PUMPS AND THEY WERE SPINNING VERY WELL YESTERDAY |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
RE THE FEED IN TARIFF IS 0.8 CENTS DUE ANNUAL REVIEWS i HAVE A 5 KW SYSTEM AT MY HOME IN ASCOT VALE NEAR CBD THAT DOES OVER 30 KW PER DAY IN THE GOOD DAYS 
i BOUGHT PANELS FROM SOLAR ENERGY STORE AND AM TRYING TO SORT THEM OUT HAD A NUMBER OF DISASTERS PANELS SOLD AS 250 WATTS WHEN ONLY 200 WATTS WITH FAULTY INVERTERS AND ELECTRICIANS i THINK IT IS 5 KW AND IS ONLY DOING 20 KW i THINK THEY FORGOT TO JOIN UP BECAUSE i HAVE 1700 WATT IN ONE STRING AND 800 WATTS IN ANOTHER 400 VOLTS IN ONE STRING AND 200 VOLTS IN OTHER i HAVE 12 AND 13 PANELS CONNECTED TO 5 KW MAC SOLAR CAN DO THIS AS INVERTER ACEPTS 10-20 % DIFFERENCE B/W STRINGS |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
What Now --- As I have said you have only 1 option with 2 parts and when it comes down to it it is really only 1 and that is the PVE1200 + a TC48 turbine controller from latronics on each mill ,and this will VIRTUALLY TAKE AWAY THE NEED FOR BATTERIES . As in reality you would need about 300A/HR for each mill which would add up to over $9,000 alone . DOES THIS APART FROM THE BAOVE BRAKING SYYSTEM AND RESITOR I need to by the t48 controllers for each mill and pve latronics 1200 would this convey all elecricity to grid no batteries if I do not need batterries why not a bigger inverter latronics sells controllers |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
so the latroincs controller has its own braking system so I do nout need to use the oem controller is that rite so I need 3 of these is this rite The Latronics Turbine Controller utilizes the latest in micro-controller design to deliver a stable and safe supply of power to the grid connect inverter. Designed specifically to integrate with the Latronics PV Edge inverter, it allows battery-less grid connection of wind and water turbines. Internal Rectifier Allows for direct connection to turbine (3 Phase AC or DC Voltage) Wall mount design Allows flexibility and ease of installation. Electronic Smart Brake The electronic braking system progressively increases the braking until the turbine comes to a complete stop. This will extend bearing life and prevent damage to both the PV Edge and Turbine during extreme conditions. DC Circuit Breaker DC circuit breaker allows easy disconnection from the turbine. |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
the latronics controller come sin 48 volt and 96 volt do I have to get the 48 volt because turbine is 48 volt |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
from the diagram onn latronics t48 manual u jus thook up the latronics controller and inverter there is no dump load on tc48 only on the t96 the tubine rotor has 2 kw stamped into the metal will the pve 1.2 do it |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
the max solar output of the pve 1.2 is 1250 watts PUT DATA PVE1200 PVE2500 Maximum solar input power 1600W 3100W Maximum DC input current 25A 25A Maximum DC input voltage 103V 206V Maximum power point tracking range (MPPT) 54VDC - 100VDC 108VDC - 200VDC Ideal operating window (Array VOC) 80VDC - 90VDC 160VDC - 180VDC Automatic turn ON (PV Mode) 70VDC 140VDC Automatic turn ON (Battery Mode) 54VDC 108VDC Starting operation 10W Reverse polarity protection Short circuit diode across DC input terminals OUTPUT DATA PVE1200 PVE2500 Output power 1250W 2500W Output voltage Range 205 - 265Vac Output frequency 50Hz (+/-1Hz) Peak efficiency 94% 95% Night time power consumption NIL - Automatically disconnects from AC grid Input/ouput isolation 3500V via Toroidal Transformer Operating temperature -10ºC to 50ºC Anti-islanding protection Over/under Voltage, over/under frequency, active Phase Shift GENERAL DATA PVE1200 PVE2500 Status indicators LCD Energy Meter Output power In 25% increments Grid monitoring - Stability check Solar input ON Grid fault Overload |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
IF TURBINE IS RATED AT 2 KW MAX POWER 3 KW THIS IS PRINTED IN MANUAL IN BOX IN ENGLISH AND GERMAN WOULD U USE A PVE 2.5 ?????????????? |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
MEAN WIND THIS WEEK IS JUST UNDER 39 KM /HR |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
IN AREA WIND THIS WEEK MEAN 11 METRE/SEC |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
COULD NOT PASTE TECHNICAL BROCHURE SENT BY EMAIL |
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| Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Mate!! you do my head in from jumping from one subject to another, then to a different situation/subject. Break down solar information into a thread in the solar section. and keep this thread on track. Just because you started a thread dont mean you can quote what ever verbal diarrhea you choose to post within that thread, you need to learn some forum rules. If Phill has a solution to make the mills work, then you should grab it with both hands and thank your lucky stars he will work with you, because you come across as a total spinner with no idea or understanding of what the hell you have or might need to make it work. You know, you can train a monkey with enough effort, but im not about to attemp that, so good luck and keep us informed on the development. Sometimes it just works |
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| fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO WRITE IN BIG TEXT HERE FOR THE PENNY TO DROP ... NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!!!!! ... THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH no's FOR THE SAME QUESTION NEXT TIME YOU ASK IT. HINT --- LOOK AT THE INPUT VOLTAGES!!!!!! 
VISUALIZE THIS - A GROUP OF BUSINESS MEN IN CHINA STANDING AROUND A WIND TURBINE THAT THEY REALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AND THINKING OF WHAT TO SAY IN THE MANUAL/BROCHURE, BUT TO SELL 1000'S ... WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WILL SAY? .... YES, ONE IS A GERMAN. PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| tomqu7 Senior Member Joined: 09/11/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 168 |
i sent u the technical page from the installation manual so is this rite pve 1.2 kw for 2 kw max 3 kw tubine plus latronics controller tc48 the max dc input is only and out put 1.2 kw what size is fattest cable for from turbine to controller on site i have8 x 300 watt panels and macsolar 3 kw on out shed wall |
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| Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Spinner, Have you checked with your service provider for your area or state, as i think you will find the maximum you can feed to the grid is 30kwh per day. If you already have 20kwh or more from the solar, then the windmills might push you over the edge and you loose your feed in tarif. You need to check these things. I also hear a whisper that the government is looking to reduce the 30kwh limit in the near future, so that might effect you also. Sometimes it just works |
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