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Madness

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Posted: 10:23am 18 Nov 2013
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I have tried to get the Greens party on to this, but initially they made the same assumption that you have made about wasting energy. This is water converted to Hydrogen directly by sunlight with a catalyst. It IS NOT solar panels making electricity to then split the water molecules.

If you would take the time to watch the video you would see that this technology is not wasting 90% of the energy.

This is a real solution to making totally clean and carbon free energy, and I am very pissed off that it has been shelved.
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fillm

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Madness, I watched the vid and to me its not very clear in stating much about power output, there are a few big BUTS around the titanium. To me it seems like the "Holy Grail" of energy production.

There are so many of these so called solutions out there from , Hot Salt , Thermal steam , Solar Steam ect..ect... ect, so far none have come up to match the good old Coal Fired Power Station or Nuclear .... WHY
Profit Margins Dictate, which is )GREED( , if the investors can not make a Zillion $ out of it and get hefty Govt rebates to make the public Tax $ ultimately pay for the service that they are the end users and paying for , then its .... In The Bin.

Look at the solar rebate scheme now, a good example where Going Green was to Good to the Public.

Well at least you have an opinion , and are not just running around saying " The Sky is Falling " over and over like Chicken Little.




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MOBI
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Thanks guys,

I really got a kick out of the last session on this thread. It was like sitting in the public gallery of the Senate.

It is good to see that there is active discussion on the matters addressed, they certainly need to be.

As for corporations, I have maintained for many years that there is no such thing as a corporate conscience, just greed and the bottom line. Corporate policy will always obscure the truth.

For all our attempts to save the planet with green schemes and renewable energy, it will likely all come to nothing as mother nature steps in with another massive meteor or un-treatable super bug.

In the mean time, let us keep on with our RE hobbies as they go some way to maintaining a modicum of sanity in this world of madness. (Sorry Madness, no link intended).
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30 Square kilometres of panels providing all of Australia's energy is very significant.

If Australia developed this and sold it to the world we would get a very good financial return. However now we have new government science does not exist any more (no minister for science). The CSIRO used to lead the would in so many ways but is being gutted by cut backs. But then Australia has developed so many brilliant things in the past but usually gets sold overseas and we miss out. No problem lets just get all the coal and gas out of the ground and sell it to the rest of the world.
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fillm

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You forgot Uranium , we have a sh*t load of that too .

I would agree with David , It will take a massive catastrophic event that affects the families of the worlds power corporations and directly hits Profit before changes are implemented.

My Question , If you were given a Friggin Big Diesel or Gas powered generator in your back yard to supply your suburb with power to make a "very good" living of the income.....Would you be protective of that income ?

I should add , it is totally silent and the no exhaust fumes in your area.

I know my answer... Edited by fillm 2013-11-20
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MOBI
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  Quote  My Question , If you were given a Friggin Big Diesel or Gas powered generator in your back yard to supply your suburb with power to make a "very good" living of the income.....Would you be protective of that income ?


In our back yard sits industrial wind turbines from which we derive a very nice income thankyou. Ok, they are not gas or diesel but parallels can be drawn. The turbines produce enough power to power a small town assuming they operated at installed capacity but they only operate at 25% and then almost never when the peak demand occurs.

The wind industry can have that income so long as we get rid of the turbines and get our sleep back again. Yes, it would significantly impact our lifestyle but we only had 12 volt freelight power as I was growing up and 240Vac came after I joined the RAN. I have lived in PNG (Manus Island) for 4 years with severely limited "mains" power and I guess I could do it again without too much coercion. Well, I guess we already are @ 1.3KWHr per day.

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For me I`m positive, I see us living in a very fortunate era. I have a lot to thank for the input of Corporations they are what drives our economy. Lots of greed, but that's human.

But most of all I thank our Farmers, our Miners and our Fisherman they are our backbone. Our Primary industries. Whilst our system (Western Civi)has obvious faults it is the best system for it allows us to voice our concerns. Freedom of speech being a strength that will allow it to adapt and evolve.
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What we do need to do is stop looking for growth to drive the economy.
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That`s it in a nutshell. Growth whether in the economy or population seem to go hand in hand, I thought the GFC may have throttled that back but that doesn`t appear so.

Can we have technology advances without growth?
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Yes we can, growth is not sustainable, there are quite few people campaigning on this, Dick Smith is one of them.
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Dick made his initial bucks on growth of the electronic industry, in particular the growing CB market. Not knocking him, he put the effort into his business, gotta take your hat off to him. Just wondering how would it be possible to achieve without growth. Perhaps some growth is necessary, growing markets are our economies driving force. It also seems to be a basic human drive.

Each of us try to make it easier for our children by growing our finances so as we can give them a start whether educational or financial, then they do the same for their children as our parents did for us. Must follow Dick`s thinking on the net, I can understand it is not sustainable in the long run, sort of a treadmill we live on. Can`t get off because we`d fall over.

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Tis a bit like the senate this thread, God knows where it`ll go. Your analogy of the IWT`s to a diesel generator in your backyard says it all.Edited by norcold 2013-11-20
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  Quote  My Question , If you were given a Friggin Big Diesel or Gas powered generator in your back yard to supply your suburb with power to make a "very good" living of the income.....Would you be protective of that income ?

I should add , it is totally silent and the no exhaust fumes in your area.

I should have put " & With no Side effects",in as well.

I do not want to open up the debate on IWT effects, Yes, David yours is similar but it is not what I intended ,
So far in the Green Energy race Solar and Wind seem the main players, with big companies putting them in there must be $ somewhere in it for them .

[quote]What we do need to do is stop looking for growth to drive the economy.[/quote]

Growth can't be stopped, and as much as I like Dick, he is a business man and if he can get his face into the public eye for any reason it advertises his brand. He dose a lot of good as well but it all goes into keeping DS in his lifestyle.

Vic is correct, the world needs growth in all areas from science to engineering... , even Military, and its all basic human instinct to want for better and better luxury and to then protect it.

Could we all instantly hop off our own tread mill and live an Amish Lifestyle?

Looks like everyone was waiting in the background ready to pounce with the way this took off .



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norcold

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There`s a cool 1 million bucks Dick is offering a under 30 if they can answer the "without growth" question. Gotta like a fellow that puts his money where his mouth is.

http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
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fillm

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Posted: 10:46pm 18 Nov 2013
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Another great PR stunt, gota love him, almost an Aussie Icon,although I would think his $1,000,000 is a safe bet for the underwriter.

Its almost like the Answer to the Meaning of Life.
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electrondady1
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Posted: 06:05am 19 Nov 2013
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i may be skating too close to the no politics rule but under the circumstances, there's no stopping the climate change.
it will take 100 years for the effects of the co2 humans have already released to be fully realized.
the methane about to be released from the Canadian arctic and Siberia will probably cook this planet.
very little effort is being made to negate the problem, because the problem is caused the the people in power.
huge sums of money are spent to keep things just as they are .















 
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To; Isaiah, MOBI, Norcold, Madness, Downwind, Fillm, Electrondady1;

Thank you ALL for good and very positive, constructive and interesting comments after my writing about the superstorm here in Finland !


This is my answer to all you, which I wrote some time ago;

http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6138&PN =1


"This is the BEST news, I have never heard !!

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/10/02/daimler-others-promise- 100-hydrogen-stations-in-four-years/

Hydrogen Economy is beginning.. !

Toyota is also coming..; http://www.caradvice.com.au/177707/toyota-fuel-cell-hybrid-c ar-coming-in-2015/

AS we all know, every day we get enough energy, from sun from an area
about 100km X 100Km (or 1000 X 1000Km) area, enough energy for the whole world
for whole year.

That is very easy to solve and I have wrote about that for more than a decade.

In Sahara desert, which is the most sunniest place 100(0) X 100(0) km
area of solar power plant and all the power to make hydrogen.
Tanker ships will carry the hydrogen to all parts of the world and the energy
matter is solved !
The only waste what emerges is only and exactly = water.

This ALL would cost only few prosents off NATOS and worlds weapon spend,
IN JUST one year !!

SO..

But, as we see now, Germans are really understanding the future and where
we are going.

German quality and undertanding.. !!!

NOW we really see, that there really is Rapid Reaction Forces,
as the NATO and other.. wants.

Some real Forces ! "


Honda has developed this also and has a home station etc;

http://www.gizmag.com/honda-solar-hydrogen-fuel-cell-refuell er-electric-vehicle/14049/

The best news I have never heard, ALSO !, from Australia as Madness wrote
from hydrogen systems.
I have studied and read everything I found about that and I will keep reading..


So litle time and so much to ACT.

But we WILL, do SO !

Engage !

Antero Rantanen
Finland
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electrondady1
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you don't need potable water to create hydrogen. polluted water, sea water , maybe even sewage water.
maybe we can run our trucks on pee !

 
Madness

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They are trying to get us to drink water that has been through sewage plants. So surely it is good enough to make hydrogen, but I fear some will find a reason for that not being acceptable.
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a lot of water used in industrial processes becomes contaminated with metal salts,
acids, bases and such.
i'm thinking a lot of that sort of thing could be concentrated, deposited on the electrodes or fall out of solution and made retrievable.
 
isaiah

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