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bigmik Guru  Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2914 |
Now that would be cool.. Mick Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<< |
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elproducts Senior Member  Joined: 19/06/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 282 |
Olimex, I think what you've been able to do with the Duinomite is great but one thing really bugs me. You have the open source hardware symbol on the boards along with reference to your website, Don's website, Ken's website and all well deserved as you were all part of this but why isnt Geoff or his website referenced in some way. I've already read several blog posts on the Duinomite and in some you would never know Geoff or Maximite existed. If it wasn't for Geoff, we wouldn't have Duinomite. I know the pinout is different and you've made changes/improvements but to not reference Geoff or Maximite on that silkscreen is really not respecting the open source nature of what he has given us. Somewhere it should say "Based on the Maximite by Geoff Graham" and then maybe his website. Or just "Based on Maximite" if he didn't want his name on there. Maybe I'm speaking out of turn but some reference to Maximite should be on that board or else the connection to it's history and respect for the Open Source software is lost. www.elproducts.com |
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jman Guru Joined: 12/06/2011 Location: New ZealandPosts: 711 |
^ | | What he said John |
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donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1313 |
Hi Chuck, I guess you are talking about the silk screen only, as I notice on each and every product description on the Olimex site, and on the Dontronics site, it states: INTRODUCTION: DuinoMite is a Maximite Compatible Basic computer, originally designed by Geoff Graham, with additional features and Arduino like layout. If blogs are electing to drop mentions of the origins of DuinoMite, then sure, this is wrong, as without Geoff, it would never have been created. I have always made sure that Geoff and the Maximite was mentioned in all documentation. Recently from me: http://www.themaximitecomputer.com/duinomite-a-maximite-comp atible-from-olimex/ Recently from Tsvetan of Olimex: http://www.themaximitecomputer.com/max/Programs/Hardware/Don tronics/Olimex/DUINOMITE-MAXIMITE.pdf So I believe we have always gone to great lengths to make sure that credit is given correctly to Geoff. I can't of course answer the silk screen question, and I would be running anything past Geoff first, before making any silk screen changes. I do know that Geoff made it perfectly clear that he would be providing zero support for DuinoMite, so this may have a big bearing on the matter. Cheers Don... EDIT: I just checked the last two blogs I posted the URLs for in this thread. One Mentioned Geoff and Maximite, the other didn't. Neither mentioned Don or Ken. https://www.dontronics.com |
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vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
On the silk screen is not the right logo designating an open hardware board. See here: http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/apply-oshw-definition/ 
And the files for Eagle: http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/2011/04/08/eagle-files-for -the-open-hardware-logo/ And how it looks on the PCB: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/oshwlogo-geda And... as a proper example, at the end of this page, is another example of an open hardware project, where that logo with an electronic chip does not apply. How your project to be respected (and defended) as an open source hardware if we do not promote and publish the real logo of OSHW? It is all about regulations... Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1313 |
Hmmm.... I found heaps of variants. This is the Arduino one: 
Cheers Don... https://www.dontronics.com |
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CircuitGizmos Guru Joined: 08/09/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 1425 |
Wouldn't the use of the logo be voluntary? If you wish to make your design open, there is no requirement that you put a logo of an organization on it. Micromites and Maximites! - Beginning Maximite |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
And I also can show you other "promotions" made on the back of OSHW... What about the official one? Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
[quote=CircuitGizmos]If you wish to make your design open, there is no requirement that you put a logo of an organization on it.[/quote] http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW [quote]Afterword The signatories of this Open Source Hardware definition recognize that the open source movement represents only one way of sharing information. We encourage and support all forms of openness and collaboration, whether or not they fit this definition. [/quote] Yes, but if you want to put an International recognized logo and want your plans protected (as original author), [quote]6. Attribution The license may require derived documents, and copyright notices associated with devices, to provide attribution to the licensors when distributing design files, manufactured products, and/or derivatives thereof. The license may require that this information be accessible to the end-user using the device normally, but shall not specify a specific format of display. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original design. [/quote] then you must go with an organization. Vasi _________ I'm sure Tsvetan knows all of the implications... Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| CircuitGizmos Guru Joined: 08/09/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 1425 |
If these proposed rules are not followed nobody will pony up the money to enforce the rules. It probably appears as nice that this looks so formal, but it won't stand up in a court until it is recognized by law. Micromites and Maximites! - Beginning Maximite |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
This is about FSF: [quote]The FSF holds copyright on a large proportion of the GNU operating system, and other free software. We hold these assets to defend free software from efforts to turn free software proprietary. Every year we collect thousands of copyright assignments from individual software developers and corporations working on free software. We register these copyrights with the US copyright office and enforce the license under which we distribute free software — typically the GNU General Public License. We do this to ensure that free software distributors respect their obligations to pass on the freedom to all users, to share, study and modify the code. We do this work through our Free Software Licensing and Compliance Lab.[/quote] Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| Olimex Senior Member Joined: 02/10/2011 Location: BulgariaPosts: 226 |
elproducts - unfortunately you are right about the silkscreen, this is mistake and will be fixed in the next run, but humans do errors. Duinomite project was done with great enthusiasm and we wanted to release this board as soon as possible, so our focus was mostly on the technical side of the board rather than the silkscreen appearance. I know this is also important, but we missed it on the first pcb run. Duinomite had few last schematic changes which we had to do after the first real production run, some capacitors needed changes and tweaking to make everything works perfect, so we will upload latest schematics on our web today. In the Eagle schematic and board files there is link to Geoff. vasi - please do not become beurocracy rat :-) how even peoples did open source hardware before the OSHW definition, which was approved two months ago in September??? when we started this project in july there were several logos on the net and not clear definition, some peoples decided to vote which logo to be used and I had no time to follow them, our peoples who routed the board liked this logo they put on the board Duinomite is released upon Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License <here> you can see what you can do with it. What do you say, that it's not open source because it have not the right logo on it? then Arduino also is not open source, let's do not be ridiculous. and what exactly protection gives me the logo? that if someone from china copy the files and start selling on ebay (check for Arduino clones on ebay) and forgot to mention my name I will call US lawer to file claim against them? I would love to see how this works. Massimo said it right in his presentation slide 47-50 Do not do open source if you are not prepared someone to: ADAPT, IMPROVE, CLONE, TRASH your work :-) and this thread just proves what he said on slide 44 |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
I will try not to be a beurocracy rat. Of course open hardware is defined first (before anything else) by it's open sources but I know that the people involved in (and living from) open hardware movement wanted a protective organization as on software. Any producer going open hardware should contribute in supporting this new movement which, hopefully, will lead to a legal, functional foundation for open hardware. If here is unity, then this can be achieved. You know is not about this: [quote]Do not do open source if you are not prepared someone to: ADAPT, IMPROVE, CLONE, TRASH your work :-) [/quote] Is a way of protecting your authorship, cheaper than patenting it... This must be the alternative, but it must be supported. That's all. In fact, I think there must be a kind of "dictator" until the things are settled. Anyway, is a benevolent action and your product is already protected by a license. And I only said that, if is desired an "open hardware" logo, then that it must be only the official open hardware logo, as anything else were only proposals from the illustrators... Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| Olimex Senior Member Joined: 02/10/2011 Location: BulgariaPosts: 226 |
I can't follow well what you said as obvious yours and my language are not English :-) words like "dictator" and open source idea / spirit / freedom seems to me incompatible I believe the main thing OSHW wanted to do is to clarify and define what exactly peoples would EXPECT when one project is called Open Source and compliant with OSHW - as some peoples open just the schematics (like we do on most of our products) but opening just the schematic is not enough to call project Open Source. Other open the schematic and boards but intentionally put inside wrong info or "traps" - I can quote you examples if you want, and these projects are from these same peoples who particpated in the OSHW definition, the protectors of open source spirit :-) Do not get me wrong, but for me OSHW is still far away from being usefull. I can give you example for "open source" projects with released schematic and board files in such way which comply with OSHW definition but crippled to such extend that being completely useless to do something else with them. All these games are just shame for their authors, but this just prove that one project can be compliant to OSHW and still far away from the open source spirit. I would ask you to stop at this point and to not turn this thread in OSHW definition / logo discussion, as it's for the differences between Maximite and Duinomite and everything else here is just spam :) |
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sparkey Senior Member Joined: 15/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
its a damm shame when ohenest people cannot make their dreams come true ..without a whole pile of beruecratic people that have nothing better to do than ratt all over somebody`s industious ideas for the better ..to produce a product that superceeds another ..after all this is a forum and ideas are and should be put foward for those who are capeable of turning them into reality///...///.../// technicians do it with least resistance |
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| elproducts Senior Member Joined: 19/06/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 282 |
To error is human, to forgive devine (Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet). What is correcting an error? The great eraser. All is forgotten. Thanks for listening. www.elproducts.com |
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| Olimex Senior Member Joined: 02/10/2011 Location: BulgariaPosts: 226 |
OK, Duinomite is now online and should be seen from Internet use Telnet to 213.91.241.248 on port 9761 please pay attention to the following: 1. Ctrl+C do not work with telnet so you can't stop the code this way so do not do endless cycles :-) 2. Do not type CLOSE #4 as this is the Serial port for the console once you type it the telnet connection will be closed 3. only one connection can be served at a time, so if somebody is connected you will not be able to log in until the other log off have fun and let me know if everything works as expected :) Tsvetan |
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| Olimex Senior Member Joined: 02/10/2011 Location: BulgariaPosts: 226 |
OK now it's setup on our DNS also, so you can telnet to duinomite.olimex.com port 9761 |
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| bigmik Guru Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2914 |
Hey Tsvetan, that is so cool... Worked really well using my iPad. Regards, Mick Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<< |
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| Olimex Senior Member Joined: 02/10/2011 Location: BulgariaPosts: 226 |
we leave the office now and I have to shut down the board tomorrow we will move it somewhere on safe place and let it stay online permanently |
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