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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
Repost of missing posts, these go just above Greenbelts post, 22 March, couple up. steven wrote..... thankyou for your reply i have been collecting all kinds of hho circiuts , and so far the flyback driver circiut i use and a modified increased current output regulator seems to work the best dispite this circiut haveing the trannys back wards i cant explian why it still works so ive been designing a new one with the transistors in the right places , keep in contact i have many circiuts to share with you and details if you like HotMetalComp wrote..... More theory from HMC For the information of the Yanks on the list -- a PAJERO is a Mitsubishi MONTERO in American speak. We don't pronounce it as "PAHERO" with the Spanish or Mexican influence. Also they don't sell the SWB Diesel unit in yankee land -- the crazy thing is they don't sell many diesels there (US) at all ! Here in Oz, diesels are everywhere. The other thing about the Oz and the US -- here we can buy French cars (with lots of diesels) over there, they have no French cars on the road at all, or at least not in CA. They just don't like the French!! Do any of you remember the "Freedom Frys" incident or declaration in the US Congress? I can still only urge listers to spend some time on YouTube, search HHO, Dry Cell -- it has really amazed me how much one can learn from all the work of others and their dumping into the public domain. I've come across somebody on Australian E-bay out of Perth <karenmk108> selling a small dry cell unit for $150.00 -- maybe a good place to start to dip your toe into the area ! You still need the fluid reservoir, the bubbler/flame arrestor. Reading his stuff, he may also be somebody with real practical knowledge (claims to be a Uni lecturer) and might have worked on the technology for some time. There's also another seller out of the US just selling 316L plates -- price seems good, they will be plus postage -- must find him again and post the info. On youtube this might be the best "HOW-TO" Dry Cell video, guys name is Sid Young 1) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en- GB&v=J0uAK4RJFXE&feature=related> 2) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5z4tiW3BPE&feature=relat ed> 3) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0qtwyuCZ8&feature=relat ed> These are great resources -- sure he's selling, but Hey! He's doing it! His website has lots of info -- not sure if I believe his figures -- claims over 5 liters per minute, up to 7 liters -- off the big diesel truck unit, I can only presume that he's pushing. I wrote to him recently and asked if the modern diesel engine (like my Mitsubishi 3.2 HD) management would automatically retard or reduce the amount of diesel reaching the pump under the influence of the added HHO gas. His answer wasn't definitive -- in other words he's not a real technical guy or he's playing it very close to the chest!! Also a diesel won't need an "EFI" to fool the Oxygen sensor on the CatConverter -- PLEASE correct me if this is wrong!! Anyway, until I put a unit into my SWB Pajero, "Stubs", I won't know -- knowledge does cost!! And, I try not to spend more than necessary. HMC The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| steven Newbie  Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
ive been working on my hydroxy gas generator , hho cell and still adding upgrades and improvemnets to it ive completed my cell and booster cell and bubbler so far stc |
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| tonyt Newbie Joined: 04/11/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 9 |
What type of cell have you made??? and what are you going to put it in??? Life is good. |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
im not planing on putting it in my car as its electronic ignition, some say useing it for electronic ignition type cars plays havoc with it so im going to use it for my hho gas torch project and have a go at makeing some new alloys by transmutation and look into this turning lead into gold thing to ive biult a mini torch attachment to run off it to so ill have 2 torches ones channeling the hho through powerfull magnets so im gona see what magnetizing the hho dose to it etc etc stc |
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| tonyt Newbie Joined: 04/11/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 9 |
Good luck with that. Life is good. |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
in perth australia here i use lots of my spare time to reserch, collect data and experiment and improvise and invent and make improvements, ill add mored etails as i get more done here a bit at a time stc |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
stc |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
oops how did i do that sorey for the double post stc |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
http://www.electronics-lab.com/forum/index.php?action=dlatta ch;topic=10383.0;attach=15954 heres a short cut to what ive been working on stc |
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MacGyver Guru  Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
This post is about 30 miles long and I admit; I didn't read the whole thing. That being said, I've done "hydrogen research" for many years. I'll cut to the chase: Realize that hydrogen production by electrolysis is a product of current and not voltage. Use one aluminum and one high-nickel-content stainless steel electrode. This combination of metals prevents either from being "sacrificial". Use bicarbonate of soda mixed with 100% pure water (R/O works) for the electrolyte. If you get the polarity wrong, it's a diode and won't pass current. When you get the polarity right, the contraption produces "Brown's Gas", a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, like there's no tomorrow! The oxygen in the Brown's Gas can be "scrubbed" with iron filings, leaving almost pure hydrogen. IMPORTANT NOTE: Hydrogen 'burns' at around a million feet per second oxidized at 4%. By comparison, primer cord burns at around a thousand feet per second. Brown's gas is oxidized at 200%! Yes, it'll really BOOM when it gets away from you. I've had that happen and the explosion (rapid burn) rocked my whole neighborhood. As a result, the Bomb Squad paid me a visit. I no longer research hydrogen production or use! Be careful! Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
intresting ive tested the hydrolxy gas from a balloon with a controlled sqeeze and got nice white colourd flames with an outer yellow aura and ive never burnt myself , its amazeing how this cold flame as it sems would not make a torch tip hot and not burn your hand when you touch it , i use demineralized water and bi carb soda in my set up stc |
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martinjsto Senior Member  Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149 |
hi all, thanks MacGyver very interesting about the plates, you mentioned a high nickel content stainless steel, is that the 316 or the 316l grade or another?, also do the iron filings rust very quickly?. great work. from what i understand there is a cutting/welding torch that uses brown gas and it works extremely well. the hydrogen/oxygen flame is suppose to react with the material it is applied to, I.E when brazing copper you use a slow flame for gradual heating but the same flame unchanged whatsoever will heat up a tungsten carbide ball in a few seconds. it is suppose to react on a atomic level but i don't understand how or how this affect the internals of the motor. has anyone read about this b4 if so could you explain the concept. i do know the flame from a torch does not actualy touch the torch tip, there is a gas outlet zone that cannot burn and flowing gas inside that cools so a torch tip can be cool to touch. i would be careful with this stuff it is explosive. funny stuff that hho. martin free power for all McAlinden WA |
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| MacGyver Guru Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
I don't know the actual stainless steel grade. Suffice to say, hydrogen has an affinity for nickel. Better-grade stainless has a high nickel content. I've see the video on the torch, but in my way of thinking, if it really did all they say it does, why don't more folks have one? Whenever I see great claims like this, without people beating a pathway to the guy's door, it makes me a little leery. This is along the lines of the "over-unity" stuff. Smoke and mirrors IMO! As for the iron filings; yes, they "rust" quickly. They react with the oxygen and form ferrous (ferric?) oxide (rust). It's been over 40 years since college chemistry; I don't remember which name is the oxidized and which is the reduced form. I know the ignition reaction with Brown's Gas forms a vacuum, which is why it doesn't fare well in an internal-combustion situation. That said, I'm not sure where my explosion actually came from. All I know for sure is that when that Ohio Blue-tip match hit that zip-lock bag in my front yard, all hell broke loose. BOOM! Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
i use 316 grtade stainless steel bolts in my hho set up i have 2 cells ones primary with 4 long bolts and the other cell is the secondary booster cell with 3 bolts and the water is demineralized water with bi car soda and when i tested it all out useing the car battery it wasent enough to get enough gas to ignite the torch so i scrubbed out the secondary bubbler i allso had in it the bolts were cheaper for me to buy but not stainlless steel plates otherwise id have a better cell with better gas output , before i topped the cell up and 2 bubblers i tested the cells with the bubblers empty and got better gas output till i topped them up so i think i need more gas and uder some more pressure to come out better through the bubblers as even the bubbler tubes get some water in them so i need more gas to push out that water to , anyhow since i scrubbed out the secondary bubbler the first bubbler is woring ok but gas production is only low with all my bolt setups , i allso noticed that i appear to get faster production when i tested it useing a 12 volts 7.2 amp hour battery than i do with a 12 volts 9 amp hour battery , i have a number of pwm circiuts to so ill re test them out now i have the hho setup[ finished stc |
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| MacGyver Guru Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
Like I said, hydrogen production is dependent on "current". There are transformers (wicked expensive!) that put out mega-amps and low voltage. These are used in commercial electrolysis applications. I used a 12-volt car battery and got enough hydrogen to fill the Hindenburg. Remember, if you get the polarity wrong, it is a diode and won't pass much current. As I remember it, the aluminum was the cathode. Of course, that could be bass ackwards, so just try it and see. When you get it right, the thing foams like a mad dog! If you let the pressure build, it'll collapse the HOH bond and it'll turn back into water, so if you want to pressurize it, scrub off the oxygen. You can demonstrate this "collapse" for yourself by filling a zip-lock bag with the stuff (Brown's Gas) and just let it sit for a half hour. When you come back, the bag will have collapsed and there's virtually no hydroxy left inside. It'll turn back into H2O. If you want to make it go BOOM! light it fresh off the generator! Don't let it sit around long. Fun stuff. Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
i use a car battery to and got very little may have to make a better cell stc |
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Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Steven ; My design for a HYD. generator. Most Info is on the drawing. If you have any questions post a note.  
Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
very imppressive green belt nice design layout and details. , stainless steel sheets to make a good cell here are very exspensive to get , but the low demands for nickle these days may force it down in price as stainlless steel allso has nickel in it stc |
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| steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25 |
they say steell wool isent good for a flashback arestor but i got 0000 grade finest steel wool and it works great and ive allready tested it no problems at all . i have 2 brass flash back arestors inline with my hho torch and they consist of 3 peaces screwed together and packed full of the 0000 grade steel wool made by sifa that i got from the bunings hardware store in madington perth australia, i think due to the super fine ness of this steel wool and the ease of packing it tight gives great flash back stopping power. not bad for plain steel wool stc |
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| MacGyver Guru Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
Greenbelt: If you design an HOH generator like your drawing, it'll draw so much current, your battery will explode! Really! Flash-back Arrestor: Use water. Just bubble your product gas through water. If you get a back-fire, the water will stop it. If you use steel wool and there's any oxygen present, you'll get pyrotechnics! Really again! Honest fellows, I've been there; done that and you do NOT want to treat this stuff lightly. If your accidental explosion is large enough, all you'll hear for about half an hour is what sounds like insects on helium! When it goes, it goes with a loud CRACK and your hearing is toast for a while! Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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