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fillm Guru  Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Do we need to label people "more experienced" or as DIY Types , isn't it all about a collective of opinions and experiences to then help others and being here is a form of being helped and helping. I asked the question a few pages back about LV DC disconnect / reconnect and the associated failure of cheap and or expensive inverters that give no thought to looking after what should be held as the primary function in an off-Grid or Hybrid system PROTECT THE BATTERIES AT ALL COSTS. I would see 16 ~ 20 K easily as being a average cost of a decent size storage bank and if they are LA , FLA , Gell - Lithium if you treat them correctly you will get a very good life is a no brainer. And I am sure that most here are fully aware of that. And Hatts of to those who make systems from second hand batts at low costs, it would be a lot of work to keep up with cell failure, and LV values would need to be lower for peak loads. So to me and probably yahoo and others see Battery protection is Important and yea it can be done in a many ways. Internally would be the best if possible. On another note I am starting gathering all my parts and the parts from clockmans list seems to be missing some items and I found the list you put together Gary. I have a bit trouble absorbing info all bundled into one sentence or blob and like a bit more space & order. I have put this together and some here want to add or remove can be easily edited by copping using quote function, the 13V Zenner is a hard one to find , is it correct. OZ Inverter Parts List Transformers - 1 x DL-CT08CL5-20A/10mA 2000/1 0~120A Micro Current Transformer HYM E6527 Ferroxcube E65 E EE Ferrite Cores +bobbin Power transformer AL=8600, 1set - 1 x 220vac, 12V 1W Output Voltage Isolation Dry Type Transformer Toroidal Tube. … Or 220v:12V 3W Output Voltage Isolation/ Dry Type Transformer. -------------------------------------------------- ICs, IC Sockets & Adapters - 1x EG8010 LQFP-32 Sine wave inverter chip, HN1518HT1536, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-New-EG8010-LQFP-32-Sine-wave-inverter-chip/32605461001.html LINK HERE - 1x SMD QFN32 QFP32 0.8mm 0.65mm IC PCB Adapter Converter 40 x 20mm - 10 x Pairs 40 Pin 2.54mm Male & Female SIL Header Socket Row Strip PCB - 2 xDIP14 socket, square hole seat,IC Block, 14P socket ---------------------------------------------------- IDC Sockets / Ribbon Cable -1 x 2.54mm 2x5pin DC3 10 Pin Straight Male Shrouded PCB IDC Socket Box header -1 x FC-10P 10 Pins 2.54mm Pitch 20cm JTAG AVR Connector Gray Flat Ribbon Data Cable --------------------------------------------------- Diodes - 2 x /set 1A 1000V Diode 1N4007 IN4007 DO-41 Rectifie - ??? x1N4148 IN4148 High-speed switching diodes Brand New - 2 x lot Sound transistor TIP35C TIP35 TO-3P 100V 25A NPN - 1 x Zener Diode 1/2W 0.5W BZX55C5V6 5.6V - ??? Zener Diode BZX85C5V6 13V 1.3W 5.6V BZX85C5V6 13v (1.3W) Zener Diode ------------------------------------------------------ Mosfets & Drivers Transistors - ? x IRFB4410ZPBF IRFB4410Z TO220 ( More Info ) - 2 x IR2110 IR2110PBF DIP14 MOSFET power/IGBT driver chip high low ----------------------------------------------------------------- Capacitors - 5 x Monolithic Ceramic Chip Capacitor 475 4.7UF 50V 20% 5.08mm Pitch - 5 x CBB61 Polypropylene Film Motor Start Run Capacitor 2uF 50/60Hz 450V AC - 2 x 22pF - Ceramic Disc Capacitor, 50V - 9 x 100nf Ceramic Disc Capacitor, 50V, - 1 x 1nf Ceramic Disc Capacitor, 50V - 1 x 100uF Electrolytic Capacitor, (can), 63V (max) 105c ----------------------------------------------------- Ferrites -Transistors50 pcs Ferrite Bead 4 x 5 x 2mm Fit TO-220 TO-3P Transistor Pin ----------------------------------------------------- Heatsinks -10x TO-220 Heatsink Insulator Pad+Insulating ----------------------------------------------------- Resistors - 1 x 2K Ohm Potentiometer Trim Trimmer Variable Resistor - 1 x 500R Ohm 10% Trim pot Trimmer Potentiometer Variable Resistor - 1 x 120 Ohm 5W Ceramic Wirewound Resistor - 3 x 0.5W 10K Metal Film Resistor 1% - 1 x 0.5W 7K5 Metal Film Resistor 1% - 6 x 0.5W 1K0 Metal Film Resistor 1% - 4 x 0.5W 1K8 Metal Film Resistor 1% - 2 x 0.5W 100R Metal Film Resistor 1% ------------------------------------------------------- Crystal - 1 x HC-49S 12.000MHZ 12MHZ 20PF DIP Crystal Oscillator ------------------------------------------------------ Voltage Regulators -1N4148 1N4007 1N5819 1N5399 1N5408 1N5822 FR107 FR207,8values=100pcs -100 set 2.54mm 2P 2Pin Dupont Connector Dupont Plastic Shell Plug Dupont Jumper Wire Cable Pin Header - epoxy coated and glass rods thermistor 1% 10k@25C (There was a link I saw some where that OZ gave for these some one will know) -------------------------------------------------------- PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
There are different versions of the EG8010 chip, this is the correct one. EG8010 LQFP-32 Sine wave inverter chip, HN1518HT1536, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-New-EG8010-LQFP-32-Sine-wave-inverter-chip/32605461001.html There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
Its a dynamic project. And others have gone off in slightly different directions. Getting everything together and sourcing is always problematic at the very beginning. Here's my latest, Mid July 2016, published lists. 2016-07-14_093005_PCBOzContrlBrd10aList.pdf 2016-07-14_093204_PCBPowerBrdList2.pdf 
Trust this helps. Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
e cores if you are not going to scavenge them. there is a led next to the 12mhz crystal on the control board there will be a separate parts list if you build a fan controller the 4410 TO-220 is a buy in bulk and check/grade them for the inverter. I think you are still short some of the other items on the power board 
photo:Clockmanfr I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
Yahoo2, that is the Overtemp On/Off model. This is my latest Mid July 2016. Pin 6 on/off amendments. But those 2 off TIP35 now have Heat sinks. 
I will re-print the PCB Supplement glossy photos to show the New. Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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| Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
OzCooling board and list. 
Not sure if these images are coming out here? Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
thanks clockman. I see an extra led and the jumper pins have moved as well. I was using the photo to mentally tick things off Phill's list. I noticed Oz had put a heatsink across both TIP35 and I wondered if they had been shuffled around on the PCB so they line up. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
no, I think the problem might be our end, my pic thought about the server request for 15 seconds before uploading started. I checked the page code and the image file is missing for your JPG. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
Yes, both TIP35 on that new board, now line up. I have put these heat sinks on, readily available and cheap. 
Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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| Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
Images... The French authorities here are blocking some Aus sites, so I use a Proxy server in Germany. However my French Satellite system sometimes throws stuff out if its slightly largish. I will try again but size down a bit? 
Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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| fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
The main Capacitors , this is a pretty odd ball size[ 100V 10000UF Electrolytic (Can) Capacitor 35mmX60mm (B88) AR, (6 off).] Surely it can be the most common100V 10000uF 35 x 50mm PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
These are what I got. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-Hard-foot-aluminum-electrolytic-capacitor-100V-10000UF-10000UF-100V-Volume- 35X50-10pcs/32587522808.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.80.v0cEzl There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Clockmanfr Guru Joined: 23/10/2015 Location: FrancePosts: 429 |
The 6off Big Caps 100v 10000uf seem to get smaller these days, or operating limits are being pushed. As long as they are 100v 10000uf. Watch the diameter, so there is air flow around them when the heatsinks are either side of them. I have seen some odd ball diameter sizes. Everything is possible, just give me time. 3 HughP's 3.7m Wind T's (14 years). 5kW PV on 3 Trackers, (10 yrs). 21kW PV AC coupled SH GTI's. OzInverter created Grid. 1300ah 48v. |
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| fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Just trying to get everything needed in one place . I have some items that are in question and need clarifying . The Listed 13V Zenner ( 1 x 13v (1.3W) Zener Diode, BZX85C5V6 ) Can it be given a link or explained as I can not find anywhere where it can be bought. Take the 13V out and its easy. Is the 13V a typo for 1.3 or can it be explained further Done ( 1 x 13v (1.3W) Zener Diode, BZX85C5V6 ) - These capacitors .... Monolithic Ceramic Chip Capacitor 475 4.7UF 50V 20% 5.08mm Pitch , Clockman says No to these as OZ you were particular about a specific type of Ceramic and these are not suitable Kemet Ceramic Capacitors 4.7UF 50V 20% Link Are the ferrite beads for the TO220 package necessary ? PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
the part number looks wrong, that is for the 5.6v zener. I would change it to BZX85C13 and do a search. yes it is right, we are getting 12 volts from the TiP35C transistor in the top left corner of the PCB, the 13Volt zener and the 10K resistor help make it happen and that 12 volts is routed to Vss (pin 13 and pin 9?) on both of the IR2110. I think the IR2110's have the only 12 volt connections on the board. Everything else is 5 volt from the other TiP35C. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
"10k@25C ptc thermistor.... two or three dollars per 30. Like these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/30pcs-epoxy-coated-and-glass-rods-thermistor-1-10k-25C-/390221418508?hash=item5adb02500c:g:Wz EAAOSwqu9VScEg ............oztules " There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| tunde Newbie  Joined: 05/06/2016 Location: NigeriaPosts: 7 |
Hi OZ, Clockmafr, Mad and everyone please can someone clarify how the back charging works using the eg8010 chip. my questions are 1. what provides the boost synchronous rectification signal 2. how does the eg8010 knows there is grid voltage present. thanks. please just curious to know this. @ OZ can u please expatiate further on this. thanks. tunde |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Hi Tunde, You have seen the best explanation I have seen, Oz seems to be a master of white mans magic. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Thanks M & Y, Changes were made as it was saved in edit, if I can get the clarification on the Caps in Question and not sure why all of the V Regs are needed as I can not see them in any of Clockman's sheets but were on Mad's List ?? Anyway thanks and I can only hope that it makes it easier for the next and so on . PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
total guess here I think it should read rectifier diode IN4007 (8 of) I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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