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| lizby Guru  Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3150 |
Grogster--I'm actually a U.S. citizen married to a Canadian and a permanent resident of Canada (though in non-pandemic times we're snowbirds to Florida in winter). Couldn't watch the whole video--sorry, wildly overwrought hyperbole with clickbait title. "Police state"--people who use that terminology about pandemic restrictions have no idea what an actual police state is like. I have no direct experience of things in Ontario, but I suspect that the "police state" would have been unnoticeable to me there. In Nova Scotia, a few people have been fined for gatherings which exceeded the size which the government deemed necessary to protect public health, but measures here have been much less restrictive than elsewhere in Canada because the prevalence of the disease has been very low. Restrictions have been both tightened and loosened here and elsewhere in Canada, and tightened and loosened again as conditions changed--just as in Melbourne, just as in Auckland. Infection rates outside of Atlantic Canada have been much worse than in Australia or New Zealand, so restrictions have been more severe and longer lasting. Fortunately it has not been nearly as bad as in the U.S. The vaccination rate is much lower than in the U.S. In Atlantic Canada, as in Australia and New Zealand, the population is pretty much virgin with respect to covid-19, so the danger of an outbreak is very high if precautions are not kept in place until vaccinations provide herd immunity. If that is not reached, there will always be a danger that a fresh outbreak could spread very rapidly and widely. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3150 |
2,000 is much more conservative. What you actually said, though, was 200,000. But 2,000 also wildly misstates it. According to this as of April 2, "1,985 U.S. deaths of individuals who died after receiving at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccines have been reported to VAERS". As the article says, this does not imply that they died of the vaccine. Anyone can report to VAERS, the reports are initially unverified, and as the article says, "the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality". And further: Having reviewed "available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records," the CDC found "no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths". So no, there is no evidence to date that the vaccine is causing patient deaths (other than possibly the J&J blood clot death). PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3150 |
I definitely would be interested in the data to support 200,000 U.S. vaccine-caused deaths (which you seem to accept without questioning). In fact, plover provided the link (which is to an official CDC source--VAERS), and it became apparent that he meant 2,000 deaths (as he himself says) in the U.S. from the vaccine (which is also unjustified--2,000 after vaccination, not necessarily caused by it), not the 200,000 which his original post says. So I'd say I was right to question the 200,000, and if you didn't question it, you're pretty gullible. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| rogerdw Guru Joined: 22/10/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 852 |
Wow, that's drawing a long bow. I've only questioned a couple things in this whole thread ... and somehow that means I accept everything else that everyone else has written ... including you. I guess that would make me gullible ... and confused ... and maybe a little crazy.  Cheers, Roger |
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plover Guru Joined: 18/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 302 |
lizby Here for starters and feel free to make the request to the US CDC system yourself as well  By the way I have seen later figures but I did not record this yet, what is the point, The picture goes back to 1990 as you can see, how many pandemic does this cover? This is where my figure of 2000 comes I thought I would be conservative. Now get googling and find the university inb US that did a research study on VAERS 'performance' it is their conclusion that I am using. One of my rules: Government and offical figures can not be trusted. Many Australians think we have done well. I am of the opposite opinion. Our location makes it look like we are doing fine. From 1st of May I can not enter any official premise, business etc without presenting a QR code or have my details taken. Most people think that is OK the data will only be held for 28 days and be used for covid outbreak tracing. Can you believe it? |
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| plover Guru Joined: 18/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 302 |
lizby About the 200 000 dead assuming the 2000 from the CDC data, I thought I made it clear what my opinion was. Under reporting by 1%, so the real figure could be 200,000. Considering the mess the VAERS is then please tell me what you think the reporting % is? Ah if you are Canadian citizen the you will be familiar with the Jaxen Report, I respect him very much. Here you go: https://altnews.org/2021/03/22/are-the-systems-monitoring-vaccine-safety-accurately-reporting-issues/ This is from an archive but should be working If not just google No that is not the university report I indicated. I said earlier that government and health authorities can not be trusted you have to dig deeper.  |
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| noneyabussiness Guru Joined: 31/07/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 512 |
So... apparently because of our " graphical location " we weren't really affected by this " pandemic " ( notice quotes, answers your first question) .. Lol, look up the ocean liner that conveniently dropped off hundreds of " infected " accidentally here in good old oz... or the idiotic handling of " infected " people in quarantine ( getting busy with the security guards), thats just 2 off the top of my head that weren't caught buy the " authorities " for a easy to distribute the virus timeframes, so now we have a virtually cashless ( aka easy to track) system, check ins everywhere ( blaintent invasion of privacy, readily accepted by the sheep / fearful masses), unnecessary severe restrictions to movement etc etc... but it all for our own good ... if you wish to accept this, be my guest, but just too convenient for my liking.. I mean grubberments/ kingdoms etc have never been know to lie to get there own way..  I think it works !! |
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| plover Guru Joined: 18/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 302 |
It so happened I stumbled over the report/study that I mentioned above. I am leaving a link here to the pdf file. https://thecovidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Harvard-Lazarus-VAERS.pdf#page=6 Download and read. As it happens I also stumbled on something more entertaining. Will post when I find it. noneyabussiness It is really sad to remember, heart wrenching for somebody who understands how simple it may have been to help. Ah I was quick enough to get hold of the link I can edit this post. https://thecovidblog.com/2021/04/18/european-and-u-s-databases-show-nearly-10000-total-deaths-from-experimental-covid-19-shots/ This is a wider look including information from Europe. Edited 2021-04-21 22:16 by plover |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3150 |
Thanks, plover, for the link to the "how safe?" article. I read the whole thing. I wasn't impressed with the use of loaded language ("unleashed upon the public"), but appreciated the link to a New York Times article covering the problem. It's certainly true that this is the "largest medical experiment in human history" (but I don't know how it could be otherwise). The NYT article, dated February 12, states that FDA is trying to bring up a new, more accurate reporting system designated "BEST". I could not find information about its current status. And thanks for explaining that your "200,000" number was based on 2,000 VAERS reports of death after covid vaccination and 1% of adverse events being reported to VAERS (per an un-linked study from 2010). Unfortunately, this just makes "200,000" a classic case of Garbage In, Garbage Out. VAERS is an odd duck of a reporting system. A joint FDA & CDC reporting venture, it allows anyone to make a report. Wikipedia is informative: VAERS "CDC cautions that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be." (As an aside, the VAERS wikipedia article quotes an infectious disease specialist: "Public health officials were disappointed to learn that reports of autism to VAERS weren't coming from parents, doctors, nurses, or nurse practitioners; they were coming from personal-injury lawyers".) Talk about a system designed (unintentionally) to fail--Boaty McBoatface Syndrome (only worse). So, as CDC says, the numbers in the VAERS chart (2,000 as shown) indicate reported (not verified) association, not causation. I am sure that the number of deaths which have followed, but not necessarily been caused by, a covid vaccine is much higher. In order to know whether the number of deaths is excessive, you have to know what the base mortality rate is for the vaccinated population. The VAERS database cannot give you any accurate number either for the number of deaths which have followed vaccination or for the base line expected for the vaccinated population (which skews elderly at this point). There is also no reason to believe that the 10-year-old study estimating that VAERS only receives reports of 1% of the adverse events which occur after vaccination is at all applicable to the current situation, in which well over a hundred million have been vaccinated in the U.S. and thousands if not tens of thousands of deaths would be expected (following, not caused by the vaccine). So multiplying 2,000 by 100 doesn't give you anything which can be used as an estimate of vaccine-caused deaths. Multiplying one dodgy number by another dodgy number just gives you a result that is double-dodgy. Nonetheless, a better reporting system would be a public service. On another point, re Dr. Ryan Cole, this article is worth reading: Cole (the article says that the researcher cited by Dr. Cole states that his research didn't support what Dr. Cole said it did--among other misstatements by Dr. Cole). PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3150 |
Regarding the "European" site linked to by plover above, this part of what he says is a good suggestion: "Check back here in two years." I am reasonably certain that in two years, the vaccines will have proven to be a great and liberating success. I am entirely certain that some will continue to deny that and that that site in particular, if it's still around, will continue to spout wild clickbait misinformation. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| plover Guru Joined: 18/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 302 |
I am reasonably certain that in two years, the vaccines will have proven to be a great and liberating success. Well I am not so sure when you see things like following https://altnews.org/2021/04/21/brain-injuries-and-death-continue-to-follow-jj-covid-injections/ I have to thank you for posting, as the links have given me sites I did not know about before. Even CDC's VAERS has now got another one or two filtering layers added. I should mention amongst the above information you will notice that US and Canada "VAERS" have been updated Canada doing pretty well only 24 dead and low number of severe reports. Edited 2021-04-22 10:01 by plover |
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| Warpspeed Guru Joined: 09/08/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 4406 |
At least those of us that have decided not to accept these poisons still have the option of changing our minds. Those that suffer from serious side effects (such as death) no longer have that option. Cheers, Tony. |
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| plover Guru Joined: 18/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 302 |
Good point. I am not taking the existing concoctions. At the moment the existing cures when started in time will do me fine. What does concern me is if it happens that vaccinated people get the virus and then pass it on to unvaccinated people, I expect that the new mutated form to be very angry at our interference and out the window goes my cures. So I will be watching closely week by week. Just came past here to pick up the link above as the computer it was sent from is engaged for a couple of hours. |
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| Davo99 Guru Joined: 03/06/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1578 |
Couldn't agree more. It makes me cringe at how readily people have fallen for this without thinking. I just drove home 400 km tonight from visiting my Dad. Stopped at a Maccas on the way for a pit stop and there is this sign as tall as me ( and I'm not short )at the door about this " Check in " bullsh*t. I sneered as I walked past and then got confronted, ( and that is the accurate word) By this pimply faced girl holding her hand up like a traffic cop blocking my way telling me I had to check in. I said where is the book? She said what Book? I said the one I have to check in with? She said you use your phone. I said What phone? I'm not some kid that sleeps with it beside their bed or under their pillow. If you don't have a book you, are you discriminating against the technologically handicapped like me? The blank, absent look said it all. I said scuse me, If you don't want a puddle on you floor I'm going to brave your usually filthy toilets. Go get a mismanager or someone that knows what they are talking about if you want to annoy me any more when I come out. Didn't see her anywhere when I went and ordered and I was given my coffee without question or problem. I went to a local Pub last year for a feed with the Mrs. They wanted my licence and to take a Photo of me. My reply was simply " Pigs Arse!" The guy, a Lug nut getting by on brawn rather than brains, said you have to. I said I don't have to hand over all the information needed to steal my Identity to anyone at a pub. I said this town is crawling with places to eat, We'll find somewhere else. Walked back out on the footpath discussing with the wife and daughter where we would go and some manager comes out and explains it's the law the gubbermint enforces. I said I haven't been anywhere I have to hand over my licence and be photographed, is that the law, you have to take my photo? No. Well then you are overstepping your mark. I said you are also by law required to furnish me a copy of your privacy and data management policy if you record and store my personal information. May I see it please? Didn't know anything about that. I said If you don't have it, Then YOU are in violation of the law so better be careful what you ask of people. My mates daughter works there and saw us and thought were were coming in then heard about my disagreeable position. She rang me couple of days later and said I caused quite a stir when they checked up and realised I was correct. I don't know if they are still doing the photo thing but so far it's the only place I have come across that wants that. We went to a place down the road, put name and number in a book at that was it. I am not trying to be a smartarse, just enforce what rights I have left ( while I still have some ) and I am not prepared to condone and promote this bullsh*t by accepting it like the rest of the sheeple. The way these power trippers and control freaks get to fulfill their agendas is by the sheep complying without a whimper and that's not what I'm prepared to do. If I can't go out, fly on a plane or whatever, no problem. I don't mind staying at home. I work hard and spend money making it a desirable place to be. No hardship for me staying put. Did for 9 weeks last year and enjoyed never going out the front gate once. I'm not the only one that is wary of all this data collection and tracking and I'm certain those that enforce this BS will come to feel the results in their bottom line. I saw on the news tonight another brainwashing/ browbeating piece about medical staff and first responders refusing the astroitllkillya poxine and some hospitals have had NO ONE turn up to be inseminated. The Health Minister ( a laughable term if ever there was one) was of course there pushing the safety and reassuring people all was well and whatever. VERY pleasing to see people ARE waking up that this rubbish isn't the Rainbows and unicorns made out and are at least having second thoughts. While some vested interests will label it paranoid, I call it just using ones intelligence not to rush in and believe everything one is told without looking at all the information. An old, wealthy couple came to Visit Dad this afternoon. Very smart people both of them whom have done well through using their considerable intelligence. I thought they may very well be all for the indoctrination for a number of reasons. I was interested to hear what I thought would be their opposing position to my own and why. I raised this with the lady first and she was hesitant and guarded at initially saying they would wait to let people that had longer to live than them get if first. That was not what I was expecting. I said well I'm in no rush with what is going on and short of tying me down, I won't be having it in the foreseeable future and I won't let Dad either. The gentleman over heard and was less guarded and espoused the dark moist place those in Gubbermint could stick his dose. He elaborated Non media based research he had done and raised several interesting points. I am happy to be of the same opinion as these people. I have met them on many occasions and respect their considered opinions and they are obviously very well travelled, very well educated and very on the ball despite their advanced years. Their life experience and the caution that has given them is not a small asset either. I put far more weight in their totally independent position and go with their reservations rather than the hollow assurances and encouragement of some talking head on the box with a SIGNIFICANT vested interests and a lot to gain from pushing their agenda. |
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| Davo99 Guru Joined: 03/06/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1578 |
Perfectly well said. In reality, as I discussed with the lady today, I can see this blowing over and becoming a big nothing before significant parts of the worlds population gets near a Vax. Trying to inoculate China and India alone is a massive task that will take years at best. By then like aids and other things, it will fade from the headlines and people won't care. They don't now as shown by the injection facilities with the Vax but no one that wants it. It's simply a media/ gubbermint/ Big biz collusion in this country if not others to achieve a greater and far less noble goal than saving lives.... especially those that are at minimal Risk. |
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| rogerdw Guru Joined: 22/10/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 852 |
I keep coming back here for the entertainment ... you have such a gift Dave.  Cheers, Roger |
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| johnmc Senior Member  Joined: 21/01/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 282 |
Thanks Dav099, for an enlightened ,humorous and perspective view on the scamdenic. cheers john johnmc |
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| Davo99 Guru Joined: 03/06/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1578 |
I'm a bit reluctant to use that term becase I think with many it purveys a sense that the whole thing is fake. I don't for a minute think there is not a Virus, it's the severity, the accounting., the overblown and irrational management there of and the population control that I think is ridiculous and of ulterior motive. As the gentleman said yesterday, it's hard to ignore the amount of deaths overseas. I agree but I highly question the accounting thereof. I know first hand of a case where a gentleman was diagnosed with cancer and Given 3 Months to live. Finally passing away last year over 3 YEARS later, his family were not happy with it being put down to a Covid death but were unable to do anything about it. As was pointed out BIG difference of Dying from something and Dying with it. The media have over blown this because it's the biggest fear mongering opportunity to inflict on the people since WWII. The politicians are always looking for an opportunity to pretend to be relevant and doing something. Big Biz makes money out of anything and everything ALTHOUGH.... There are many that have lost out as well. I'm not sure about that. Might be in for the long haul or maybe they weren't just big enough and were a causality of war of larger interests still. There is no doubt in my mind about the profitability aspect of this. The Invercter....whatever min wasn't even given a look in. A cheap, readily available drug that would have been FAR less profitable that some specially and hastily cooked up specific antidote. The fact so many countries including OZ banned it being prescribed or the plump man brining in enough for everyone is highly suspect in my book. I do not trust the numbers relating to those that have died one bit. The money says that it is in many various interests to pump the numbers high as possible. The data however unreliable says the great majority that have been lost are elderly with pre existing conditions. I question the seriousness where you have to be over 80- ( or is it 90?) years old before you survival rate drops below 90% odd. A cold, falling on the footpath and a bad haircut can be a risk at that age. For the great majority, 95% PLUS, if you get this terrible disease that has killed millions, the treatment is to send you home with a fortnight of doing nothing. I have heard much about the poxine, I have heard nothing about research into why some places have it and some don't and the treatments outside of poxine. I am at a loss as to explain the overall big BS picture with this but it's more than clear there is an agenda or many of them that this is being used to further the cause of. It's been one hell of a turning point in Human history and I wonder how it is going to impact our rights, way of life and the controls we are subject to in the future. Makes some Sci FI movies where everyone is tracked and scanned seem far more than a Possibility... it's heading for an inevitability. |
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| noneyabussiness Guru Joined: 31/07/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 512 |
billionaires I don't think too many were suffering / losing to much Dave... just googled it out of curiosity... I think it works !! |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9306 |
Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows - Leonard Cohen(RIP) Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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