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martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149
Posted: 10:31am 04 Nov 2008
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cool well done with the 30% that's great, bit unsure about the cruiser, there a lot bigger motor ain't they? probably will require a larger unit, although you should of got some improvement.
with hydrogen the ignition timing is critical in petrol engines as the hydrogen explodes immediately and provides the power immediately, therefor the timing needs to be advanced. with the diesel we are using the actual diesel ignition from the compression to ignite the hydrogen, therefor no adjustment necessary.
i am not sure what the motor is in your cruiser so i am guessing.
the leaks are a problem with hydrogen as its the lightest element it will leak out of just about anything, i have been able to get the copper tanks out of a undersink boiling water unit, this has a removable lid and a silicon rubber seal, seals well...
ensure you use a bubbler or check valves to protect from back flash.
also the proximity of the inlet hose for the hydrogen in relation to the inlet manifold can be critical, try to get it as close to the inlet as possable, some people have seperated them for each cylinder, you see the hydrogen will also dissipate very quickly and if it has too far to travel it will all but dissapear or actualy turn back into water.
hope this helps a bit
martin
It has helped. The cruiser has the common rail diesel and a mass airflow meter. I think this is where my problem is, fighting against the electronics. The inlet hose goes into the manifold after the turbo. I have tried in the air filter box with the same result...Life is good.
martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149
Posted: 10:57am 04 Nov 2008
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yes you get the same results when you try to convert a motor with an oxygen sensor, as you are reducing emmissions with the hydrogen dramaticaly the o2 sensor goes haywire thinking that your motor is running lean it then increases the mixture to compensate. this could be your problem with your electronics. i have hered of people removing the sensor or adding a small elecronic board that compensates for the clean exhaust and tricks the o2 sensor into thinking all is ok. sorry for my lack of detail im not to good at explaining things just doing them the board isnt too hard to make, i have a link someware i will look for it for you, it just hard wired just b4 the sensor to change the value it reads, i believe it reads a small voltage of about 3 volts when all is well and reduces it when running rich or lean (one or the other, i cant remember if it increases or decreases) anyway the electronic fuel mixture is altered according to this reading,
i think this is how they works from my understanding please correct me if im wrong.
i will search for the links
martinfree power for all
McAlinden WA
I understand what you are saying and have looked at different sites on the subject but the cruiser does not have an 02 sensor. Just the mass airflow meter. I agree i think that i have to manipulate the computer through the maf to get results but i am still unsure how to go about it.Life is good.
martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149
Posted: 11:48am 04 Nov 2008
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do you have a blow back valve on the turbo as without one as in my pajero, when you back off the turbo pressurizes the inlet untill the exhaust relief kicks in, as this will push the h2 out of the tubes. i have had the water in my bubble unit blown out once b4 i had check valves lol just another thought my nephew is pretty good on the cruisers, he loves them and works on them heaps i will ask him about the computer adjustment,
Yes i have a oneway valve close to the inlet manifold.
I am making about 1 l/m. I have a airflow meter that reads in litres/hour but it only goes up 42. That is
.7 litres/minute. when i put mine on the bead goes straight to the top. I know it is above .7 l/m.
I have done some more looking, you can hook up a efie to a petrol motor. Do you hook one the same on a diesel motor?????? Life is good.
martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149
Posted: 09:25am 06 Nov 2008
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1 l/m is good production, is this a home made unit and at what amps is that?
are u using plates or steel tubes?
and do you use electrolyte?
i think an efie is the same as the electronic thing i was talking about earlier, it mods the o2 sensor output so the lean exhaust isnt being compensated for.
it looks like you require a o2 sensor to fit to a diesel motor but im not sure on that. i sent a email off to a manufacturer of an efie in America asking the procedure to fit to a diesel. i will post his reply when i get it
martin
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McAlinden WA
Thank's that would be great to back about the efie.
I am using 2 sets of 4 tubes side by side, the outer tube is the housing and it is 2.5". The inner tube is 1".
I am pulling about 25 amps. and using sodium hydroxide.
I think I need to be making more for the size of the motor.Life is good.
I was wrong about the motor, it's not a common rail but electronic injection.
I have taken the hydrogen unit out of the cruiser for modifications in the hope i can make more gas. I am thinking of using another 1 or 2 tubes on each set to help with production.
I have made another cell like the joe cell you spoke of earlier, it works well on the bench. It is producing .8 lpm @ 10 amps after 15 minutes running. I haven't run it for any length of time, I don't have a big enough power supply. Only a 10 amp battery charger.Edited by tonyt 2008-12-31Life is good.
craig sparks Newbie Joined: 01/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 3
Posted: 03:30am 01 Jan 2009
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Hi..check out
http://www.wildnaturesolutions.com
They know a lot about hydrogen production and systems..and they can
help!
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steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 10:31am 26 Jan 2009
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heres how i made hydrogen or hydroxy gas , i tested different circiuts for the power i needed and i setteled on a flyback driver circiut to do it and it had 2x irf540 p mosfets i think it was and i powerd it with a 12 volts seald lead aciod cell rechargeble battery i stored the gas in my home made hydroxy gas compression tank i used small plastic valve type irigation taps to controll flow out and it works great i used demineralized water and i mixed bi carb soda a whole box of it and it dident all disolve but it worked ok anyhow and theres the gas ignition test ok had to film it and run it slow motion to see it it was so fast and it implodes even the same when i use a fat diode split in half for electrodes it implodes and i stored it allso in a balloon and burnt it over the stove useing my fingers to regulate the flow and as a flash back arester and it dident burn me except the stove flame when i get hands to close to it in australia cant get bronze wool to make a decent flash back arestor so im looking for new ideas stc
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 10:39am 26 Jan 2009
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i use 316 grade fat stainlless steel bolts for electrodes as 316 grade bolts dont corode like the lesser grade bolts do i use 2 for electrodes , my home made storage and compression tanks i made from pvc pipe and rubber from a rubber glove i seal it and water test it for leaks the rubber stretches when the gas flows into it and the more it stretches the more comppression i get when its done i release the gas by the plastic vavle into water bubbler and ignit it but its just all pops so i put the gas into a metal bowel of water with dish washing liuqiud to test it the dish washing liuqiud holds the gas thus forming bubbles .stc
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 01:16pm 17 Feb 2009
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here in my erea of byford perth i have been creating hydroxy gas to/hho gas from water and have been biulding my first hho gas torch and and im trying different power supply ideas to use in the creation of hho gas , and ive made my own flashback arestor and other parts to use , as for storage of hho gas i once made my own home made hho starage and compression tanks , useing the elasticity of rubber from a pair of rubber gloves but after a while the rubber detieriates somehow , so untill i find a hho resistant rubber ill put the tank designs on hold so at the moment its best to use it as you make it , it dose burn so fast in my tests that i had to film it then put it onto pc and slow motion it down just to see the bright yellow flashes stc
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 01:25pm 17 Feb 2009
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if this picture uploads ok here is a simple flyback driver circiut i used to create my hho gas notice the balloon filling up with gas , the circiut was originally used to pwer a flyback transformer then a small tesla coil from it to .stc
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
HHO dry cell ENTHUSIASTS -- I've been watching this area now for 12
months. I'm totally full of theory. Just ask me! No practical experience at
all -- YET !! I've spent over a 100 hours soacking this stuff up and also
have spent $600 on literature -- I'm about to start my experiemnts -- or
so I keep saying!!!
Go to YouTube and search for <HHO Dry Cell> I've watched all the
experimenters go from Wet Cells to Dry Cells in the last 6 months --
seems a more compact and efficient design. You can't believe ALL the
claims of what HHO liters per minute unfortunately !! It depends on how
much power your alternator can supply without affecting your battery
recharge etc.
There's a Canadian <George Wiseman> whose been making HHO Browns
Gas type welding machines now for some 20 years.
Also search for <Patrick Kelly Free Energy> he has dumped into the
public domain 1,000 pages of Hydrogen-On-Demand material onto the
web. Much of it with very precise instructions and diagrams all in PDF
format, a glorious treasure of information -- Fellow travellers, it's all
there, even the patents.
You have no excuse not pursuing On-Demand-Hydrogen generation --
Martinjsto is the man! He's doing it !!!Martinjsto is the man! He's doing
it !!!
HMC --
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 11:44am 17 Mar 2009
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still going in my reserch and experiments so far ive been working on my 10th hho power supply circiut and so as i go ill upgrade test and modify them as i proceed , so far a simple increased current output regulator circiut apears to be doing the best in hho production so far stc
martinjsto Senior Member Joined: 09/10/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 149
Posted: 01:05pm 17 Mar 2009
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lol hotmetalcomp.
i have had my unit in and out of the vehicle for a few yrs now, ma by saved a few bucks on the long runs.
good to see a project installed and working if only for a short while b4 you ripp it out so you can "improove on the design"..
there seems to be a relationship between the frequency of the pulses and the ability for the atoms to separate, myers circuit used pmw at very high frequencies using a similar system of tubes to yours steven. the output your getting using the current regulator and fly back circuit is similar to my setup, i originally used a electric fence energizer controlled by a pmw circuit to pulse very high voltage at really low amps. trouble is the open plate design allowed too much loss of electrons i then modified to run a 120 plate unit off a 240v inverter but production went down i think because of load on alternator. so i am now making a tube design. your pics didn't seem to upload, i would be interested in the circuit your using. i have been busy recently constructing a progressive inter cooler water spray controller and system for my pajero. this electronic control circuit could be used to controlled the release of the stored hydrogen gas at a high pressure to be released on the input from a map sensor or TPS. this gives the extra boost only when needed instead of all the time allowing gas to build up, a preset release valve would vent excess gas into intake. really good for towing or overtaking. just another idea.
oh the efie wasnt available for the diesel motors but a TPS works.
martin
free power for all
McAlinden WA
Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566
Posted: 02:07am 22 Mar 2009
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HI.
A few posts are missing after the site crash but since I typed up a reply I'm going to post it.
I have several things in writing about boosters, My personal ideas on combustion, spark timing,
and a design for a 8 plate booster.
G,day
A yank in washington state, Seattle,
California emissions Law was not written by mechanics, most likely lobbists from Detroit. Chrysler. Ford, except for Pickups do not build diesels here and GM gave up the Diesel Oldsmobile in the eighties, California buys more new autos than any other state, a Foreign Market here would hurt.Here in Seattle and several other States the Volkswagen, Audi, Merceedes Peugeot and others are common. Very soon the Subaru Outback Diesel will make a show.This one should do very well because our northern States are peppered with Subaru's.
BACK TO THE TOPIC,
Boosters;
I am extremely interested in the high frequency harmonic pulsed circuits, I have read many articles describing how to build these things but no one except(0<>0)has been able to duplicate the reported output. people build the unit and peddle it wherever, or sell the parts kit and tell you to hunt for the sweet spot.? No one has found it that I know of.
If the scientific description of an Atom and it's electrons are sufficiently accurate to represent the function of 2 Atoms joined, as in Water, then it would seem likely that the shared electron would have a variable frequency if taking turns as the shared electron. in the other scenario if the frequency remains the same, then the internal energy is fluctuating when the valence gives up an electron and receives another. If the Electron traces a figure eight while orbiting both Atoms the internal energy level changes somehow to account for the energy absorbed when hydrogen is oxidised Some theories have it that the electron must speed up or slow down when a valence has been emptied or filled. This would be the target timing to add or remove energy to de stabalise the molecule, EMP. I'M not even close to being a chemist, I probably know just enough to make a
real scientist laugh, but I do know about Engines and their fuel,Tuning for the orbital frequency of electron's on hydrogen with harmonics would be a daunting task.
It has been mentioned on the pages of many experimenter's notes that magnetic fields improve the breakdown of water at the same current level, if one asumes some truth to this then it would appear that magnetics affect the electron as in cathode ray tubes, although there is no heated cathode to emit free electrons, it still may have a mild effect, perhaps a highly eleptical orbit, that combined with a high negative voltage may slingshot the electron into another molecule creating instability in an enviornment that is already lethal to water.
What do you think about substituting an external electrostatic field in place of a magnetic field,
other than dangerous.? Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True?
steven Newbie Joined: 24/01/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 25
Posted: 03:29am 22 Mar 2009
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thats well beyound my scope of knowledge but what you desribed in it about this particle or whatever it was going around this opther thing , think of the earth on a giant scale and as a model for this then what circles the earth has to go faster to leave its orbit like a space craft and same aplies in reverse thats it has to goe faster to enter again cause of the gravity of the earth and if ytou re enter the wrong spot you miss ya cor ordinates so can ya use that as a model to pradict these actions of particles , hho flame sounds like it has a memory effect and knows what energy it needs to use to heat the metals to the right tempiture maybe the energy of the hho gas torch makes a match with that of the metal or metals thus its energy to melt and cut are equal enougth to do this , hmm did i do good at this crack at explaining it im not that good at this technicle stuff but i geussed it , anyhow hho gas from water is very intresting but i recently saw on a documentary a crop circle pattern had a strikeing similiarity to a crystaline water structure i saw on u tube so if its frenquencys are important in breaking up water into hho then maybe the crop circles have clues to frenquencys that could be used for water to stc
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