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| anteror Senior Member  Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
My hybrid system has worked. Today I got 22 Kwh energy from sun and wind. Floors are warm..from independent energy from sun and wind ! Mushroom risotto from Boletus Edulis, stone mushrooms made by my wife.. WE have these and a lot dried, in our storage. Voted to be THE best food in the world, by the best chefs in the world.. THE best quality of life and PURE energy.. Also PURE food. Herbs. Learn to know.. ALL about them. We have done so. There is so much, to learn about them. BEST medicine and ingredients that we have.. and these plants have been here since the beginning of time. All the universities and the pharmaceutical industry are continue to find new and revolutionary new performing ingredients about them. Knowledge, about herbs, it is just beginning as well as knowledge about our seas.. and rainforests WE know better our moon as the.. 
AS you know the cold WAR and NASA !! There should be instead NISA, instead of National Aeronautics and Space Administration. SO NISA= National INNER space Administration. Trillions of dollars wasted.. 
YOU, ALL !! can achieve this. THIS ALL is given, to all of us FREE, by nature 
Independent life ! NO poisonous energy, nor food ! NOBODY else can do that, THAN just yourselves ! THAT you know. Antero |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
My; http://www.huayaturbine.com/ It has produced more energy than, my solar power units together. Wind is producing power 24/7 and I have got all my power and warming from wind !! Wind speeds are raising, as you know. Not bad at all, for me. Before this, I used fire wood to warm my house. NOW, I do not need to run, to wood shed anymore 
I have better things, to do. Power, comes from wind, for free. We are living in the stone age, of making our power, in this planet, that in sunny places you can get energy; In the AREA, about 100 X 100 Km, we get enough PURE energy from the sun, just in ONE DAY, that would be enough for the whole world, for WHOLE year.. I have started to use the natural powers, that we all have around us. It is very easy and cheap nowadays. THE best investment for you and to your children and generations, to come. But as you know, this is just us..
Stone age is here existing, in our time, in the way how we make energy and also, what is our attitude, to BE, exist. Better systems and programming. Antero 0.01 This is the beginning. PS This is the first sound.., for the new beginning, instead of weapon busines; http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/01/wind-power-widely-suppor ted-americans/ |
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Madness Guru  Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Where does this information come from? There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Warpspeed Guru Joined: 09/08/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 4406 |
You really think so ? 100Km x 100Km is 10,000 square Km And 100,000 square Km is 10,000,000,000 square metres. Assuming seven billion people share 10 billion square metres, that is only 1.4 square metres per person. Can you really live for a whole year on one days sunlight from only 1.4 square metres ? Cheers, Tony. |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
To Madnes; Do you have a calculator ? Sun shines to earth with the power; each 1 scuare meter= 1 meter X 1 meter, gets energy 1000W = 1kw. That is very easy to find ? 1 km = 1000 meters. 1Km X 1km area is = 1 000 000 square meters = one million Kw. 100Km X 100Km = 10 000 square kilometers 10 000 square kilometers X one million Kwh. 10 000 X one million of kwh = 10 000 MILLIONS of kw. That is 10 000 000 000 kw power coming in, in the area of 100km X 100Km in the sunniest places in the earth, like Sahara, Australia etc Sun is shining in these places, lets say 5-10 hours a day, so 5-10 times X 10 000 000 000 = the energy production, in KW hours = Kwh. 10 000 000 000= megawat= 1000Kw Gigawat= 10 000Kw Terawat= 1000 gigawat 10 000 000 000 kw / gigawats = 1 000 000 gigawats = 1 000 000 gigawats / 1 000 = 1 000 terawats. SO, in one hour we get in the area of 100km X 100Km = 1 000 terawats of energy, In one day in Sahara, Australia etc etc  , 6-10 hours we get
6 X 1 000 terawats, from sun = 6 000 - 10 0000 terawat hours, in one day. This is what we needed, in this planet, in terawat hours, in one year period; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption Lets take example of the year 2008. We needed 143 terawat hours of energy, in the whole year of 2008, in this planet. Sun produces in one day; 6000- 10 000 terawat hours of energy, in the area of 100km X 100Km. We can get with our solar panels 15% efficiency from all that and all the time better and better even 30-40% of that.. (that means that you can get with 15% efficiency 150W per square meter, from sun= 0,15Kw etc ) If we have 100km X 100km area and get 6000-10 000 terawats. -With the 15% efficiency, of 6000 terawat hour = 900 terawatH per day = 6,3 times the energy need for the whole planet,for whole year. -With the 30% efficiency, of 6000 terawatH= 1800 terawatH = 1800 / 143(the energy need for 2008) = 12,5 times the energy need for the whole planet, in one year. BUT; OFF couse it will make you VERY restless, troubled, uneasy, if you are in coal or oil or other power bisness nowadays, because THE FUEL in wind and solar power, is totally and exactly JUST ZERO = 0 You can not compete with this, with any other means, than just complaining. That is, what we really see, NOW in our time. You, can make your own, independent choices. This is just us.. BUT, getting better. Antero |
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| Warpspeed Guru Joined: 09/08/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 4406 |
Yes, and that is 1.4Kw per person incoming energy. And by your claim, one days energy has to last a WHOLE YEAR. Cheers, Tony. |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
University of NSW has developed solar panels that produce hydrogen from water without making electricity. They claim 30 square KM will provide all of Australia's energy. Not in one day but on constant basis. I don't doubt that solar could supply all of our energy but what you claim can be done in one day seems to be very optimistic. There may be 1 KW in each square metre of sunlight but we don't have a way to convert all of that into usable energy except maybe directly into heat. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Warpspeed Guru Joined: 09/08/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 4406 |
30 square Km is 30 million square metres. Aussie population roughly 22 million. 1.36 square metres per person. Still not really believable for ALL of Australia's energy needs in my opinion. Even 300 square Km with total 100% energy conversion efficiency might be pushing it to maintain most Australians current expected standard of living. Cheers, Tony. |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
I am going on memory, it may have meant 30 X 30 KM square which would be 900,000,000 Square kilometres. Close to 41 square metres per person which would be not too unreasonable. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Warpspeed Guru Joined: 09/08/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 4406 |
That sounds much more realistic, especially allowing for winter months and some to be expected cloud cover. Cheers, Tony. |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
I was wrong in my calculation. You can get in the area 100 X 100 Km 10 terawats of energy, per hour. In one day period we get 6-8hour sunlight = 60-80 terawat hours, per days. So it takes 2-3 days, to get the whole worlds energy consumption, from sun, to WHOLE year. This was symbolic, that we can get energy in one day, but we WE REALLY do !! WE do not need power plant that BIG. In the year 2008 whole worlds energy need was 143 Terawats / 365 days= we only need 0,39 terawats per day ! In Australia you need energy; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Australia In the year 2012 you used 1,43 terawat. That amount you can produce just in one DAY ! = Every 10km X 10km, makes 1 Terawats per hour, so you make in Australia 6-8hours sunlight every day.., that is 6-8 terawats EVERY DAY, in the area of 10km X 10km.. You needed 1,43 terawats / 365 days = 0,0039 terawats per day. That is 3,9 gigawats = 3900 megawats PER day. So you need JUST 1300 units of 3 megawat wind generators, or 780 units of 5 megawat wind generators, to make ALL yuor power 
and some.. solar panels
This ALL is just so incredible, inconceivable, in our time. This is just us and for example, how stupid we are, in our time ! WE REALLY CAN get our energy from a VERY tiny, tiny area around us and withour ANY pollution ! JUST 0,0000000000000000000000000000...1 prosent of our planets surfice area, we can get energy enough for the whole galaxy ! Stone age of energy ? Getting better, but so slow
Antero |
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norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Cool it fellows, sun providing all our energy. Keep it to ourselves eh! Bloody Govts will tax sunshine if they read this thread We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| anteror Senior Member Joined: 06/10/2009 Location: FinlandPosts: 189 |
Good point ! Norcold
Energy, is already as easy, as breathing air, in our time. SO, do not arrest your breath, but breathe freely and take your own energy as naturally, as your breathing air. We are all, so wrong guided in this time. -YOU really can make easily your own energy without any pollution, from sun and wind and save your money.. Solution that your children have to do, in any case. This oil paradice, is very short lived, in our time. THE BEST heritage, to give them, to start using and practicing to use these solutions. Also pure food; -You can easily crow, your own pure food. -You can easily pick your own food, from nearby forests. Berries, mushrooms, herbs etc -Herbs. They contain, carry so many ingredients and flavonoids, that we are just BEGINNING to understand, all that. To avoid cancer etc I and my wife, have studied, this for a long time and have nearly, all the books, about that. My father lived in the age 98 and he always picked berries, herbs and used them in his everyday food. Never had any alzheimer etc He had to renew his driving licence in the age of 95 and he got it back, with the first driving test and with a written test. -Berries. In our university in Turku they have studied a lot about our northern berries. They have found and all the time are founding, more and more ingredients that are very special to our health and to our immune protection system. With cold-pressed berries and specially, from berries seeds, they have found very special ingredients. So, pick berries and eat them everyday, as my father did ! NO, doctors needed ! -You can easily fish your own pure food, from nearby sea, or lake. From fish, you get the the best kindof fat, which lubricates your brains. Omega type oils, found from fish, the best to you ! etc The quality, of life ? IT, is up to you and all the choices, are very near. THE, best feeling, that you have never had before, is that, when you have own solar/wind power, to power your own house. You have freezers full of your own berries, mushrooms, fish. You have dried a lot of herbs. (This is the first time, when it is difficult to present what I really want to say. Language barrier.) I wanted to say more and with a way, that I only could say in my own language. I hope, however, that maybe I could convey some main parts, what I wanted to say. Everyday, I learn A LOT OF NEW and I am eager to learn new things. I feel young. Antero |
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| Georgen Guru Joined: 13/09/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 462 |
Plenty of energy comes our way. Remember, while ago there was sceptic’s comparison of what man-made warming compared to what came each day from the Sun. Wish there was Sun energy storage for small user that is inexpensive and long lasting. Yes Edison battery is, but cannot get it cheaply. George |
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