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irishron40
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Posted: 07:14pm 06 May 2015
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i am wondering about two transformers i have

one is from an old car battery charger

It measured 12 vdc at the rectifier

my rewind transformer from microwave measures 17.2 vdc at rectifier


will this be the max voltage I can get? or would it go up after i connected my veroboard with capacitors?

I did notice that when i connect a window wiper motor rated 12v 2.5 amp that the voltage when from 17.2 to 21 volts. that is what made me think would voltage go up after the veroboard with capacitors and transistors

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Posted: 07:32pm 06 May 2015
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Without a capacitor on the output of the rectifier, the DC reading will be false.

The rectifier output is not clean DC, its actually swinging between 0 and full volts 100 times a second, and the poor old multimeter is having a hard time trying to give you a sensible reading.

With a cap across the rectifier output, the DC is filtered and will give a correct reading.

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irishron40
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Posted: 09:05pm 06 May 2015
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and would it be much higher glen then what i read now from both transformers?

im just wondering which transformer to use for my variable power supply

thanks

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Dont know. Remember, the reading was false. Gibberish, rubbish, has no significance at all, and should be discarded, forgotten and never used for any future reference.

Put a cap on the rectifier output, and measure again.
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irishron40
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Posted: 09:51pm 06 May 2015
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I did put a cap across dc output from rectifier glenn. cap I used was 28 v 3300 uf

its exploded and smoke came out.

maybe voltage from transformers are higher then the 28 volt? or would the uf be to low?

one transformer has ac output of 12.9 vac and the other 19.5vac

how do i know what size cappacitor to use? i did order 2 50volt 4700uf capacitors. but dont wanna blow those either.



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Posted: 12:23am 07 May 2015
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12.9VAC will give you near as damn it 18VDC and the 19.5VAC is 27.5VDC. If you cap went bang it was either faulty, or more likely connected in reverse to the rectifier. Electrolytic cap's are polarity conscious. Put them on backwards and they do make good smoke bombs .
 
irishron40
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Posted: 12:54am 07 May 2015
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thx pete , you are right.i blame it on my eyeside lol
i didnt see the + on the dc output of the rectifier. so more then likely I had it reversed

so would the two 50v 4700uf caps be fine?
havent made up mind yet wich transformer to use.

I do know that the small transformer outputs 11 amp.

maybe that is plenty for what I need it for

its a kbpc2502 I am using. its rated for 25 amp.

sorry for being a pain. but I have to learn someway .

thx for your patience with me.

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irishron40
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Posted: 03:34pm 12 May 2015
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how can I reduce vibration on metal housing caused by the transformer leaking of the magnetic field

vibration starts the moment I slowly lower transformer in casing without being in contact with casing.

did anyone have this problem before and is there a way to reduce it as I wanna use this casing. thx
 
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Most transforms buzz to some extent. Have you tried bolting it in place and see if the noise is still there?
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irishron40
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yes.it doesnt buzzor vibrates, but the moment i lower it slowly into metal casing it starts vibrating withouth it being in contact with housing. Imsure its needs better shielding so it wont loses magnatic field. just wondering insted of varnish could I use resin, that will get rock solid. have some left over from my fibre glass boat.
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Bolt it in place and see how it sounds. A microwave oven transformer is bound to buzz a bit. Ever heard a silent microwave oven? I wouldn't worry too much about it, but it may check to see its not loaded too much, by either a shorted turn on the secondary, or the magnet path.

Without anything connected to the transformers output, power it up for a 10 minutes, then turn the power off ( and unplug the power lead to be safe ) and then put your hand on it. It's ok if it gets warm, but not too warm or hot. If its hot, then something is wrong.

Also, not a good idea to handle the transformer while its powered. Bad bad idea. Very bad!

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irishron40
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Posted: 12:45am 13 May 2015
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i used varnish glen and it doesnt buzz. only if it is near metal, even without being in contact with it. so it is defanatly leaking magnatic field from the core.

just wonder how to reduce that.

just wonder if i pour fibre glass resin on it would that seal it from leaking magnatic field.

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