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Phil23
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Posted: 09:55pm 06 May 2018
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I do understand that commonly available SSR's are not suitable for switching DC, like solar arrays.





Can someone explain a bit more clearly why, and also why a similar simple DC device is not readily available.

OR am I just demonstrating my total ignorance of which is the correct item for the purpose.

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Here is a DC -DC version.

Or you can build your own as shown here. this one is isolated for use with a GTI.
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These (ac type) solid state relays all use either a triac or sometimes a pair of back to back silicon controlled rectifiers. (SCRs)

These types of device are triggered "on" usually with a short pulse, and then through internal feedback lock themselves permanently on.
Once switched on the only way to turn the thing off is to either remove all power from the device, or reverse the polarity of the applied power.

If you use one with a main dc supply, you can switch it on fine, but there is then no way to turn it off.
On ac, the polarity of the power reverses 50 times per second. So you can switch it on, and then unless you keep repetitively switching it on, it will turn itself off during the next half mains cycle.

So on ac, it acts much like a mechanical relay, it can be turned both on and off.
On dc it turns on then locks up permanently, which is pretty useless for most things.

You can get solid state dc relays which are basically a big mosfet or big transistor that can be switced both on and off, but they are very different to the ac types.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/SSR-100-DD-Solid-State-Module-Solid-state-Relay-DC-DC-100A-3-32V-DC-5-60V-DC-/312100885769[url]
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  Madness said  
Or you can build your own as shown here. this one is isolated for use with a GTI.


Yes following that thread & that's probably the way I will go.
Out of curiosity, why is the -ve leg switched as opposed to the positive?

Just time poor in getting things done in the appropriate order.

The link you posted lists it as 5-80VDC. Why are we not seeing say 600-1000V devices?

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  Phil23 said  
Out of curiosity, why is the -ve leg switched as opposed to the positive?


Because NPN transistors and N channel mosfets are much more efficient devices.

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The link you posted lists it as 5-80VDC. Why are we not seeing say 600-1000V devices?


Very high voltage transistors and mosfets, while possible, would greatly limit the maximum rated current.
Apart from high voltage solar, most switched dc applications involve a battery and operate at relatively low voltages.

An 80 volt 100amp device would have far more useful applications than an 800 volt 5 amp device.
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  Phil23 said  
  Madness said  
Or you can build your own as shown here. this one is isolated for use with a GTI.


Yes following that thread & that's probably the way I will go.
Out of curiosity, why is the -ve leg switched as opposed to the positive?

Just time poor in getting things done in the appropriate order.

The link you posted lists it as 5-80VDC. Why are we not seeing say 600-1000V devices?

Phil.



What is the outcome you are wanting to achieve Phil?
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Phil23
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Outcome will be to simply switch my 3 strings to the 2 PV inputs I have.

Only using 2 out of 3 at any given time.

String 1 (NE) will probably always stay on PV1, but PV2 would switch between Strings 2 & 3.

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The Isolated MOSFET circuit would do it, if you are feeding into a GTI you could use PWM with it and current sensing to limit the output of the GTI.
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