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Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 02:29pm 23 Jun 2011
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Hi to my aussie mates,
I'm working through the building permit application forms for my mill project.One requirement is the manufacturer specs for the mill.Can I refer to a dual F&P mill as a kit or is it better just to list it as a F&P 48V 700W wind turbine.I'm estimating the watt output consevatively I hope.THis will be an off grid instalation.The main utility lines are Kilometres away,however I intend to have final inspection to meet with Aust standards if I can satisfy the shire authorities.Can those of you who are grid tied give me some guidance about how your units passed the red tape please!Cheers Rastussee Rastus graduate advise generously
shawn Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2010 Location: New ZealandPosts: 210
Posted: 08:32am 24 Jun 2011
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If I remember right Karl went through this with his f&p over there PM him He did name his mill for the red tape.
nishka Newbie Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: New ZealandPosts: 7
Posted: 09:33am 24 Jun 2011
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Mmm this is interesting. I was just talking to my neighbour today after fixing his electric fence about whacking a small 20 metres tower up in my back paddock and asking him if he planned on planting or building in the nearby area as I did not want to shift it once there which would be a shame as the prevailing wind is uninterrupted for some 4 km's beyond that again. We were discussing maybe even going even higher but decided to whack any trees within 200 metres around down (what few there are) as the easier option. Never heard of any requirements to get any permits or the like here in NZ (unless another kiwi can enlighten me on that) so I am interested to hear the detail of what you guys have to go through just in case we get some idiot over here deciding to nobble people from doing things on there own land ... John.Edited by nishka 2011-06-25John
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windlight Guru Joined: 03/03/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 331
Posted: 12:07pm 24 Jun 2011
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Although I have left all my wind turbines and towers behind, in a rural situation if a tower was not over 9M it was OK, not that I took any notice of that.
Personally I preferred windmill towers as they were engineered ie a commercial tower and therefore there was no argument.
Unfortunately wind is not an option for my current location in FNQ.
Allan
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Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 03:04pm 24 Jun 2011
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Hi nishka,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the interest.I'd get into more trouble cutting down the tree's than putting up the mill.Don't worry, sooner or later they will be trying to fill in the cracks in NZ,and have their hands in your pockets to take whatever didn't shake out!A tongue in cheek comment.On a genuine note I hope things start to calm down over there.
Hi Allen,
Once you've moved on what you leave behind is your loss and there gain,or is that visa-versa?The mill needs to be above the tree line and some,so it'll be getting up there.I thought I could just go ahead,but I'm 20yrs behind time so they tell me.
Hi Shawn,
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.I'll follow up on that while working out how to initiate a PM.
brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548
Posted: 09:24pm 24 Jun 2011
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Hi Rastus,,
Have you actually started a permit ? And why ? Are you in suburbia. ?
I'm in rural on acerage , so I just keep my head down ,actually all the council guys having smoko on my vacant block tell me they love watching the mill and they come up to my blok because it's so beautiful a view..
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Posted: 11:58pm 24 Jun 2011
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Hi Rastus
Im shore if you are the manufacturer of the windmill you can call it anything you want, and i wish you well on your aplication.
Unfortunatly in my situation i would not even attempt to put in an aplication as I beleive there has never been a wind turbine aplication aproved in our shire as yet. Our area has been designated as being economicly viable for wind farms and we have a large number of the comunity that are not wind turbine frendly. I have seen the signs on their front fences. The main problem that part of our shire takes in the part of the great ocean road that has the 12 aposils on it and people dont want windmills spoiling the view for the tourists which is fair enough. But our town is half an hours drive inland and there was an aplication put in to have some wind turbines around the local rubbish tip but as yet that has not gone ahead.
Fortunatly I have the ex town mayor living a couple of houses up and he offered to lend me his chain saw to cut down the trees in the yard between us so he could get a beter veiw of my wind mill as it is one of his pleasures to walk out his back door and have a look at how well the mill is running, and so far he says he hasnt seen it kill any birds and he cant hear it. He might be retired but he still pulls a bit of weight in the comunity. It is good to have people like this on your side.
All the best Dean
nishka Newbie Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: New ZealandPosts: 7
Posted: 04:50am 25 Jun 2011
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Hi Rastus,
Thanks for the welcome :)
Thought I'd tack a pic on showing you directions to the wobbly crack zone so you could take peek. Lot of peeved folks down there getting sick of the shakes which I can well understand.
Your neighbor was nice lending the saw, I just added two 110cc golden oldies (1934 and 1957) to my collection :) Its good to hear that some of those in or ex community service offices are thinking and sensible people.
Going by what others are replying here replying here re watching mills built by other forum members I climbed up on the roof of my shed just to see how high the peek was and measured 7.8 metres down. Figured I might as well go ahead and fabricate a 15 metre mast and mount that just behind shed which will be some 80 metres from the roadside and approx 250/300 metres from nearest neighbor just to see what it looks like and tack a wind measuring device on the top to get some sort of measurement and wing it from there...
PS: Hi to all you other folks here as well !
John
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Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 01:31pm 25 Jun 2011
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Hi Bruce,
I have the permit application forms.While I've lived in "suberbia" for 12yrs,the property is rural acreage.The nearest neighbour is 3km away,pretty close for most Aussies as you know.Why submit application?Beaurocracy has tenticles of varying degrees.
Hi Dean,
You certainly are in a beautifull location.Having difficulty getting a Power Project underway at a "Dump" wow? and I think I've got troubles,"Yikes"
Hi Nishka,
It's no wonder NZ has the fattest Romney's in the world.You probably need any trees that are there for stock shelter and wind breaks!That 15mt tower sounds like just the right plan.You'll be more green than you already are.Cheers Rastus
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nishka Newbie Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: New ZealandPosts: 7
Posted: 05:50am 26 Jun 2011
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Rastus,
What no trees ??? Can't you see them all ;-) haha
How much wind disturbance do you reckon I will get from them thar forest ?
Mast placement to be left 1/4 of pic ...
John
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KarlJ Guru Joined: 19/05/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1178
Posted: 07:18am 26 Jun 2011
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I called mine on my grid connect applciation and F&P windfun 700W
as it happens 700W is pretty much perfect.Luck favours the well prepared
Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 10:48am 26 Jun 2011
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Hi John,
You will definately exsperience turbulence from the staggered tree line.I'm assuming your prominent wind directions being S,W,N, so 15mt mast should get you into clean air as you've suggested.A common suggested clear air distance from obstacles is 10x the height.That distance will have variables for individual sites I suspect.
Hi Karlj,
Thanks for the post.Do you have any objections to my use of the designation F&P windfun 700W,?Even though my application is offgrid,doing so may further establish a precedent for other forum members to make successful applications.Cheers Rastus
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Tim_the_bloke Senior Member Joined: 15/11/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 105
Posted: 09:56am 27 Jun 2011
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With regards to applying for a Development Applicatiion for a windmill, be aware that in NSW there is state legislation prohibiting a local government from requiring DA permission to construct in particular circumstances (basically rural zoning and small windmills).
Other states may have similar legislation mentioning windmills. Run a search on Austlii, or ask the council officer to look it up, or ask a lawyer to look it up.
Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 03:08pm 27 Jun 2011
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Hi Tim the bloke,
I've spent 2hrs on the Austlii site without a definate hit so it may take further investigation.I'll keep at it!If it yeilds results they could very well be worth it.Cheers Rastussee Rastus graduate advise generously
Tim_the_bloke Senior Member Joined: 15/11/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 105
Posted: 11:19pm 27 Jun 2011
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Mmm, yes Austlii has too much data and not the search facility to find it quickly, also I found myself easily distracted by other laws.
I found out about the leglisation (or regulation) refering to windmills from my council over the counter by asking the correct questions. It is amazing what the council workers don't offer to tell you.
Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 02:17pm 29 Jun 2011
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Hi Tim the Bloke,
It may depend on who you ask at the office to,I simply got the responce "you have to put in an aplication".Spent quite some time searching Austrlii but no success to report.The district is SW victoria.Cheers Rastussee Rastus graduate advise generously
frackers Newbie Joined: 06/11/2009 Location: New ZealandPosts: 23
Posted: 01:34am 30 Jun 2011
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Depends on your local council to an extent and how far you are from any airport(s). In Selwyn you are allowed a communication tower of up to 17m without resource consent (but still need planning consent). If you have a mill on the top of a comms tower then its wider and qualifies as a wall which has a limit of 2m. The compromise in Selwyn is you are allowed 10m including the blades before resource consent is needed. The building consent mostly looks at the fall zone which must in any case be entirely on your property and not include any residential buildings.
Must admit to not getting building consent for my 12m system but since I reckon I know more about wind turbines than any engineer working for the council (test - ask them what Betz's law is!!) and I totally over engineered it to survive 160km/hr winds I'm unlikely to Robin down under - or are you up over
Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301
Posted: 02:20pm 30 Jun 2011
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Hi Robin,
We're across the ditch from what I've heard!Some common details for planning consent,the fall zone must be entirely on the property and free of obstructions.This detail is not an issue.Towers 150ft require warning lights for aircraft,(not going that high)however there is a light aircraft strip/feild 8 miles away as the crow flies,so I'm willing to paint the tower aironauticle orange and white.I'm looking at a self supporting lattice tower 19mts so they may have considered this as a wall with the mill on top.I couldn't in all good conscience think I know more than an acredited engineer.So the forum provides worthwhile practical help to me.The other area the aplication focuses on is the financial estimation of the project because different costings affect how the work can proceed depending on the legalities that apply.My estimate is $7000 at this point in time.These details may prompt further comments.I'm keen to read them.Cheers Rastussee Rastus graduate advise generously
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