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| Landor Newbie  Joined: 08/06/2006 Location: New ZealandPosts: 12 |
Perpetual motion machines can be quite simple but as to their being useful as to producing power or other by products only time will tell. The human heart is said to be a perpetual machine but is it? Think about it then reply. This is not a trick question but one to make you realy think out side the square. Gizmo my machine is not quite what you would call a perpetual machine in the absolute sense but nearly. Any machine made to run with solid magnets would eventually run out of steam and stop, may take 20 - 30 years but would stop, as you will over a period of time deplete the poles stored and induced into the magnets. There is a way however to make a magnet relenish itself so that wouldnt happen. I induce a small current into the unit as it is easier that turning a handle to start it. Once running it drops off the barttery and draws off current from its own production with plenty to spare. This is a prototype machine and yet to be fully developed but the indications are that it should be able to produce something like 2-400% of what it uses in energy. Basic consept has been proven and works so now I am playing about with different coil windings wire dia etc to maximise the input control which will mean solid stable output. Any one with electrical knowledge about coils wire sizing current configurations etc would be most helpful to me at this stage as I am devoid in these areas. |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
I hate these discussions. This message board is for practical helpfull discussion on wind/solar power, and the associated systems. But I'll let this thread go on, I dont want to censor the board at this stage, but I would like to keep the board windmill related. There are other web sites for free energy machines. OK. The heart is not a perpetual machine, it uses fuel and oxygen to create electrical/mechanical motion. If you take aways the hearts source of oxygen or fuel, it will continue untill it burns up its reserves and then stop, after a few minutes. Magnets do not create energy, but they do create force. There is a difference. Same as Gravity, there is no energy in gravity, but there is force. If I drop a brick to the ground, gravity provides the force to accelerate the brick untill it hits something, where the kinetic energy build up in the brick is turned into noise and heat, say 10 watts worth. So yes you achived a power output using gravity. But it stoped! So now you need to lift that brick back up to the same height and drop it again to get another burst of energy. Funny thing is, you needed to provide 10 watts ( more actually ) to get that brick back to where you could make it work for you again. So the net power gain was zero ( or negative in reality ). Everything cancelled out. Same with magnets. If you put in mechanical energy, a magnet force can induce electrical current, but take away the mechanical energy and you get nothing. You can not make a motor that uses magnet forces as its energy supply, all the internal energy created will cancel out. Same as you can not make a motor that uses gravity as its driving force. Anyone care to comment, I know this will be interresting, but after this thread lets try to keep the forum for proven design and engineering, ie, how to make my windmill work. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| KiwiJohn Guru  Joined: 01/12/2005 Location: New ZealandPosts: 691 |
If indeed it were possible to create a machine that operated by depleting the strength of the magnetic poles unfortunately the amount of energy that could be extracted over the life of the machine would only be the quantity of energy used to create the magnets in the first place. (I think  )
While on the subject, I must observe that free energy and perpetual motion are not the same. Perpetual motion is, as far as we know, impossible. Free energy is all around us, solar energy, electromagnetic and electrostatic fields created by various sources (heck, thats what powers your crystal radio, energy from the station transmitter), hydro power and of course the principal interest of this board which is wind power. |
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| AllanS Regular Member  Joined: 05/06/2006 Location: Posts: 67 |
Sub-nuclear particles pop in and out of existence all the time, but so fast you can never quite tell if they're there. This maintains the Uncertainty Principle. Since E=mc2, it follows that the vacuum is teeming with energy. This is called Zero Point Energy. Some physicists calculate there is as much energy in a proton-sized bit of vacuum as there is in all the mass of the universe. Because of the wave-particle duality, these particles can resonate between two close plates, just like I resonate when I sing in the shower. If the plates are close, only a few particles can resonate between the plates compared to the number outside, and the plates are forced together. This is called the Casimir Effect. A few years back, New Scientist ran an article on a bloke who'd calculated a way of using a similar effect to push the plates apart again. He thought vacuum energy could then be used to set the plates vibrating. This would create a perpetual motion device, or as near as no matter. He was given a few million to pursue his study, and that's the last I've heard of it. |
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| AllanS Regular Member Joined: 05/06/2006 Location: Posts: 67 |
A small clarification. A 1 kg brick dropped 1 metre on earth will release about 10 Joules of potential energy, mainly as sound and heat (E=mgh). If it stops in 0.1 seconds on impact, the power of this brick-hitting-ground device equals the change of energy per second... in this case, about 100 Watts. |
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| Landor Newbie Joined: 08/06/2006 Location: New ZealandPosts: 12 |
Where does the force come from in a magnet? Also free energy is in the atomic structure all around us even in the air. Tap into it and you can generate all you need to run a house more effectively than a wind mill which only harnesses one of the products produced by convections created by heat and cold within our atmosphere. Explanation. Take a 200 ft length of copper cabling any old ex power line stuff will do just coil it up and lay it on the ground or on the roof, connect it via a spark plug and you can charge a 12v battery in 2-3 days. I recharge mine this way in fact can have a battery charged in a day with my setup. |
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| AllanS Regular Member Joined: 05/06/2006 Location: Posts: 67 |
Any moving electric charge creates a magnetic field. In atoms, electrons orbit the nucleus creating magnetic fields. They also spin on their axis, creating magnetic fields. These fields usually annul each other. Some elements, like iron, are exceptions. Each iron atom is a mini-magnet. Align the atoms in an orderly fashion and voila, a magnet. No one knows what any force is, only what the force does. eg. Forces accelerate mass. But is force a distortion of space/time? The exchange of virtual particles? Invisible gremlins with pointy ears? What do you mean by 'connect it via a spark plug'? Could you give us a circuit diagram? What's the voltage across the coil? The current flowing? I can see how you'd get a trickle from radiowaves etc, a dribble from the earth moving thru the sun's magnetic field, but nothing like enough to charge a battery. |
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| RossW Guru Joined: 25/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 495 |
I've spoken to several people I've known for years who have seen various "over-unity" machines with their own eyes. Several of these people are quite technical and not easily fooled. While I agree that I cannot see a *REAL* perpetual motion machine working (given our current understanding of natural laws), if we remove the strict requirements from the equation and allow things that are "just there" for us to use freely - like gravity and the earths magnetic field etc - as permissable energy input sources, then I would be happy with such a device! While the technical people amongst us, and purists, won't accept the concept of a "perpetual motion machine", a functioning machine which requires no conventional fuel input (gas, electricity, mechanical or motive power etc) which could be stuck (say) in a small hut and "forgotten" about (save for periodic maintenance), and produces a constant output power, day in, day out, for no further outlay, would be just wonderful! We'd have to find another name for it though, perhaps "natural forces engine" or something! Am I just gullible? Perhaps. But where there's smoke, there just may, perhaps, be fire. |
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WXYZ Newbie Joined: 30/04/2006 Location: CanadaPosts: 20 |
(over unity} All smoke and mirrors. Now let us get on with the real world! Joe  "Failure is an option." |
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| Landor Newbie Joined: 08/06/2006 Location: New ZealandPosts: 12 |
Well I have one on my work bench now and if you every come over and agree to sign a non disclosure contract then fine. It is possible but agree that if I had stuck to conventional physics this machine would not exist. The problem is that scientists with over inflated ego's say that unless it can be explained by quantum physics and calculations it will not happen. Guess again. The application is quite simple that is why it is overlooked. Scientists dissmiss by and large simplicity because they are looking for a more complicated arrangement as this then sets better with their ideals. Not all scientists are like this I may add but unfortunately a lot do much to the detriment of progress. I can send a circuit explanation for the free energy charger. |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
How about some photos. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
Yep, Landor , how about some Photo's ?- If you want to state things on this board then at least you could either draw the Cct of it or post a couple pic's . Laying out a length of Copper wire and charging a Battery ---- at nearly 62 years you can imagine I'm really not too willing to accept that,but I'm learning ,lol. Bruce Bushboy |
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| KiwiJohn Guru Joined: 01/12/2005 Location: New ZealandPosts: 691 |
It is easy enough to set up a demonstration of 'free energy'. For instance I have no doubt that if you lay a coil of wire in really big loops in your loft or on the roof you could connect a meter to the ends and see a significant voltage. You will see a voltage but voltage is not power, for power you need voltage and current flow (Amps). In an open circuit the current is nil and no matter how high the indicated voltage when multipled by zero the answer is still zilch. The voltage you see on your meter, and strictly speaking there is a little current but just enough to be sensed by your meter, is not free energy, it is inductive coupling from the mains wiring in your house and you pay for that energy through your power meter. There are variations of this theme with the long wire in the air free energy scheme. Yea, you do get energy that way. The Earth is rich in electrons so if you run a long wire insulated from the ground the passing wind will wipe off a few gadzillion electrons and you will see a current flow. However gadzillions are not really enough and the only current you will see will be enough to indicate on a very high impedance meter. Of course if you wait around for a thunder storm there will be millions of times that energy available which will all dissipate in an instant when the lightning discharge occurs. Free energy is available to most all of us but it does require an understanding of a few basic principles and practical application of our knowledge. I.e. we need to build windmills, photo voltaic arrays, mini-hydro etc. We cannot choose which natural laws to obey and which to ignore and we sure as heck cannot introduce magic as a practical component of our projects. Just my thoughts.... |
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| dwyer Guru Joined: 19/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 574 |
yes Yes Landor Putting a loop of cooper of wire will work unless you listen the wireless ou morse code and we will be happy if able to prove some photo to us dwyer the bush man |
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| Landor Newbie Joined: 08/06/2006 Location: New ZealandPosts: 12 |
Ok Ok give me a break you inquisitive lot. Have to be out of town for a few days on business but will see what I can do when I get back. Anyway why should I publish these things to a bunch of sceptics who dont do the experiments. Muahahaha but hey im not a meanie so will, just to please you, set something up. |
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| WXYZ Newbie Joined: 30/04/2006 Location: CanadaPosts: 20 |
Disclosure, Landor I have a box of disclosure agreements that are worthless. First sign of a fraud "DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT" I don't like to be rude, but I make exception this time. You hijacked my (New Member Thread) with this stupid topic! Lets change this topic to underworld dealing and how to get involved in the drug trade. Gizmo end this insanity please. Joe "Failure is an option." |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
Yes Joe I agree, time to close the thread. Discussing perpetual motion machines is a bit like discussing god. Some people believe, some dont, and some are not sure. But either way, this is NOT the place to discuss it. Back to regular mechanics, electronics and looking at trees while asking yourself "where's the bloody wind gone!" Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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