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Juri74

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Posted: 02:07pm 11 Mar 2013
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hello!
i think i found a bug in v4.3
try this code:

print hex$(16777212)
FFFFFC

print hex$(16777213)
FFFFFE

print hex$(16777214)
FFFFFE

print hex$(16777215)
1000000

print hex$(16777216)
1000000


and so on....

please could be fixed in the next firmware release?
thanks
 
aargee
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Posted: 02:35pm 11 Mar 2013
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As well as posting here you might want to send Geoff an email directly at:

projects@geoffg.net

- Rob.

For crying out loud, all I wanted to do was flash this blasted LED.
 
CircuitGizmos

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Posted: 03:04pm 11 Mar 2013
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You are at the limit of the way a number is represented. Not in hex it looks like this:


print 16777212

print 16777213

print 16777214

print 16777215

print 16777216


> run
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
>



From the manual:

The range of integers (whole numbers) that can be manipulated without loss
of accuracy is ±16777100.


Micromites and Maximites! - Beginning Maximite
 
shoebuckle
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Posted: 09:09pm 11 Mar 2013
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  CircuitGizmos said   You are at the limit of the way a number is represented. Not in hex it looks like this:


print 16777212

print 16777213

print 16777214

print 16777215

print 16777216


> run
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
1.67772e+07
>



From the manual:

The range of integers (whole numbers) that can be manipulated without loss
of accuracy is ±16777100.



However if you write it as

Print Format$(16777212,"%8.0f")
Print Format$(16777213,"%8.0f")
Print Format$(16777214,"%8.0f")
Print Format$(16777215,"%8.0f")

you get
16777212
16777213
16777214
16777215

@geoffg
Incidentally I just checked the Hex to numeric conversion and we get a similar problem in v4.3. Hex FFFFFD is converted incorrectly.


Print Format$(Val(&HFFFFFC"),"%8.0f")
Print Format$(Val(&HFFFFFD"),"%8.0f")
Print Format$(Val(&HFFFFFE"),"%8.0f")
Print Format$(Val(&HFFFFFF"),"%8.0f")


Gives
16777212
16777214
16777214
16777216

Cheers,
Hugh
 
Juri74

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Posted: 02:05am 12 Mar 2013
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i read that in the manual, and it looked very strange.. i tough that the numeric accuracy would cover the entire 24 bit range... too bad, i've to rethink entirely my next app...
thank you all
 
Geoffg

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Posted: 03:31am 12 Mar 2013
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  shoebuckle said  @geoffg
Incidentally I just checked the Hex to numeric conversion and we get a similar problem in v4.3. Hex FFFFFD is converted incorrectly.

This is not a bug, it is the inherent inaccuracy when you try to store too large an integer in a floating point number. Use a smaller number and there will not be an error.
Geoff Graham - http://geoffg.net
 
JohnS
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Posted: 06:00am 12 Mar 2013
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It's what I'd call a bug.

For IEEE754 binary32 (old name single-precision), Hex FFFFFD ought to end up as the 4 hex bytes (little endian) FD FF 7F 4B so that sign bit is zero, exponent 23 and so on. It should then print properly, too, i.e. as 16777213.

Similarly, Hex FFFFFF ought to work and be 16777215 (again, internally exponent 23).

I can't tell from what's reported whether VAL doesn't quite work or FORMAT$ doesn't (possibly both).

Unless I've missed something.

Now... it's hard to get these worst-case values right and the doc says what's allowed, so in a way it's not a bug...

JohnEdited by JohnS 2013-03-13
 
shoebuckle
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Posted: 11:40am 12 Mar 2013
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  Geoffg said  
This is not a bug, it is the inherent inaccuracy when you try to store too large an integer in a floating point number. Use a smaller number and there will not be an error.


Fair enough. I hadn't thought of that.
Hugh
 
JohnS
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Posted: 01:58pm 12 Mar 2013
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Except it's wrong.

John
 
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I would 'vote' for an overflow error as it is an error condition.
It is an artifact of using a float to represent an integer. by range checking this error can be trapped.


Microblocks. Build with logic.
 
JohnS
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There's no overflow in the values I posted about.

JohnEdited by JohnS 2013-03-14
 
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