 Notice. New forum software under development. It's going to miss a few functions and look a bit ugly for a while, but I'm working on it full time now as the old forum was too unstable. Couple days, all good. If you notice any issues, please contact me. |
Forum Index : Other Stuff : Permanent Magnetic Motors
| Author | Message | ||||
| blueberrydrumz Newbie  Joined: 10/06/2013 Location: GermanyPosts: 3 |
Hi Guys, first of all hat off to you all! glad to have found this site i hope im in the right forum, if not please move my post.. I am new to this, so please bare with me and please correct me if make mistakes.. i want to learn! I have been spending the last days with watching alot of youtube videos & reading pdf´s on the Bedini Motors and Permanent Magnetic Motors, i am a bit confused now and maybe someone can help clear things up. Basicly i am looking to achieve around 6KW of power 230V AC i know now that i can modd a alternator and run it without the rectifier to get close to my 230V, i might have to use a transformer.. ok so im thinking to modify a regular motor with magnets that will run the alternator (permanent magnet generator), please correct me if i am wrong, but very simply put, i could start the motor with a 12v battery, get it to speed then let the alternator power the motor & charge the battery again, so the system would be self sefficiant... should be possible right? the other possibility would be to run a motor again on a belt that runs a Generator from example a washing machine, that would save modifying a alternator, like one in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jrMmYTLd78 but i doubt the power output would be sufficiant, but i could run multiple Generators to get the acquired power would i need to modify the motor (add magnets) to help add power to power the modified alternator? or would it be better to use the bedini principle and modify the motor to run with help of batterys to run the alternator? or am i getting things mixed up... sorry my brain is fried with soo much input the last days... or has anyone got a "simple" awnser to my quest many thx in advance for your feedback! bless |
||||
Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
Sorry but its not possible. There are a bunch of laws that explain why it wont work, but short answer is any video you see of a magnet motor ( or Gravity Motor, self powering motor generator combination, etc ) is a fake. And there are hundreds of them, many very convincing, but all fake. To get power out you need to put power in. And you need to put more in that you get out, because no machine that converts energy from one form to another is 100% efficient. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
||||
| MOBI Guru  Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
Sounds like you trying to "re-invent" perpetual motion. Short answer - it doesn't work, never has, never will. David M. |
||||
| blueberrydrumz Newbie Joined: 10/06/2013 Location: GermanyPosts: 3 |
Hey Glenn, thx for your reply! so you are saying a Permant Magnet Motor like the one from Muammer Yildiz is fake? i doubt he would have been at universitys in holland & in germany if it were fake! but anyhow.. what about the Bedini Motor? wouldnt it be possible to generate enough power from a Bedini Motor to either charge batteries that would run the alternator or have the Bedini Motor run the alternator? Thx |
||||
powerednut Senior Member  Joined: 09/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 221 |
Bedini's motors will run down over time - you get less out of them than you put in, and if you think about it that makes more sense that what Bedini is claiming. There will always be losses involved with any mechanism. There will be losses in friction in the bearings, losses in the electronics (loss due to resistance in the wires) etc etc. Even if somehow you got rid of all that, where would the energy to charge your battery be coming from? One really cool thing I have seen along these lines is a small electric motor powered only by a coil, some wire and a few other bits and pieces - but no battery! Yes, free energy is real baby! In reality its just a crystal radio thats being used to charge a capacitor and drive a very small motor. I believe there are a couple of examples on youtube, though most people seem to use them to light an LED. example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcui0K7JZXA Back to Bedini though, I believe mythbusters did a overunity/free energy/zero point energy episode a while back and his motor got taken for a spin (please excuse the appalling pun). Worth checking out. I think it was season 2 or 3 (2004 episode about the ming dynasty rocket chair). |
||||
| blueberrydrumz Newbie Joined: 10/06/2013 Location: GermanyPosts: 3 |
yeah you are right about parts wearing out, BUT lets say a an example the motor would run 5 or even 10 years before one had to replace some parts, it still would be more economical to run ! also i think you are wrong about getting less out... you get more out! its been proven, for example by this Physician, he says 8 x Over Unity Physicist Steven E. Jones shows evidence for overunity: circuit and measurements |
||||
| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
The mains laws ( and these are laws, not theory ) that explain why these things don't work are the laws of thermodynamics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics The types of device you want to build is a perpetual motion device. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion Sorry, but we get this type of question of the forum every year or so. It shows clever thinking, but when you look more into it, your come to realise why it wont work. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
||||
| MOBI Guru Joined: 02/12/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 819 |
So very true!! It is a question I get asked regularly. Bottom line is...if it were possible in our terrestrial habitat, it would be done ALL the time. David M. |
||||
| Georgen Guru Joined: 13/09/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 462 |
We could concentrate on hooking up this on wind/water/solar source, to run it the way things will run. George |
||||
Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
We could also chisel a round shape from a flat rock and put a hole in the centre with a stick through the hole, OH! Wait its already been done! we call it a wheel, but what the heck we can always reinvent the wheel, for what gain i dont know? Same thing with this idea, there is nothing to be gained, other than introducing losses into an inefficient design. Sometimes it just works |
||||
| jorgea Newbie Joined: 01/10/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 2 |
You are on the right track |
||||
| fullofhotair Newbie Joined: 08/09/2013 Location: United StatesPosts: 4 |
Forget about over unity. Couldn't you use the bedini motor as a really efficient fan motor? |
||||
| powerednut Senior Member Joined: 09/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 221 |
no, its not actually all that efficient, especially when you try and make it do any work. build one, test it and see for yourself. Compare it, work for work vs an electric motor out of an RC car (toy grade, not hobby or professional - although those should do better) and it wont do as well. If you want efficient have a look at the CSIRO motors designed for the solar car races. see here |
||||
| Georgen Guru Joined: 13/09/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 462 |
[quote] have a look at the CSIRO motors [/quote] Are they for sale too and how much would one cost? (Does not sound like inexpensive alternative, but 98.4% efficiency is impressive) George |
||||
 Print this page |
