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yahoo2 Guru  Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
Watching an episode of QI a few years ago. Stephen Fry was blathering on about how British people were drinking fermented fluids (beer) instead of water in the "ol days" and their teeth were rotten. I really enjoyed his table thumping pomposity, the tone of his voice switching through cajoling, sarcasm then he blew himself up like a big balloon and looked like he was saying, ....that got me thinking. Do peoples teeth really go rotten and fall out? is that the way it has always been? just as Stephen Fry has forcefully insisted! Well... No The research team for QI would only have had to look at the research papers of British physicians who traveled to far off places for the last hundred years. Their studies of people on traditional (non-western) diets show vast populations of people that do NO brushing and flossing that have no evidence of tooth or gum disease in their entire lives. Is Stephen Fry an idiot? No he is not! Then how could he get this so badly wrong? The fancy name for it is cognitive dissonance. if you want to read a cracking story about The Time Everyone “Corrected” the World’s Smartest Woman WARNING this article contains references to TV game show's, cognitive dissonance and the phrase sh  t-storm.Our problem as a species is we have a gut instinct or woman's intuition or whatever and we think we are making a choice. However, like the contestants in a game show who are asked to stick with their original decision or switch, we will almost always stick. we never give the options equal weight when we chose, there is about 95% bias to continue down our original path. In most cases that path is chosen because it was there FIRST already embedded in our minds from previous experience. It is a good trait to have when dithering in indecision for an instant can be the difference between life and death but there are times we need to switch it off and that can be very hard to do. As you will find from reading the comments section of many a blog or YouTube video!  The QI researchers were commenting on the substitution of beer for water in the interest of public health due to fecal contamination of the water supply. Stephen Fry ad-libbed his way through some general assumptions 1 peoples teeth rot if they are not cleaned 2 peoples teeth rot as they age He did not even manage to make the connection with the acidic nature of beer and eroding of tooth enamel let alone flourishing microbes in the mouth causing tooth decay. These assumptions are in line with our perception in the narrow world of ye olde British town living, however in a wider context, the big picture, they are completely debunked. I have to be clear at this point, I am not saying dont clean your teeth because tooth decay is fictional, its not, but what I am saying is there are circumstances and places it does not happen because of what people eat. The doctors that went from Britain to places like Kenya and Uganda to set up medical services for the empire noticed other stuff too. None of the chronic disease that they were commonly treating in Britain existed in these places. heart disease, strokes, dementia, diabetes, allergic reactions asthma rheumatoid arthritis MS Parkinson's diverticulitis krone's colitis most cancers... the list seems endless. Well, I say didn't exist, they existed all right, in the settlers from the motherland who relied on imported supplies from home for their food. What I would like to do is explore the WHY? of diet and health To get around our natural knee jerk reactions and opinions and see what is happening inside our bodies in the simplest of terms. I will split it into 4 sections Along the way I will use my own assumptions (MY 95% choice that things must remain as they have always been attitude) and show how they got torpedoed out of the water pretty smartly when I put the slightest effort into research. Hope you enjoy it! I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
I've been going to the dentist in recent months with the most recent visit yesterday. Mostly it is inspect and jack hammer the accumulated crud from the teeth. I did need one small filling in one of my back teeth. Not too bad for a bit over 22 years since the last grease and oil change. I had the filling yesterday and as usual they do a local anaesthetic so that they don't have to strap you down to the chair. My memory is probably more decayed than my teeth but I can recall that the anaesthetic needle was a painful affair and you needed a few hours to get over it. Also it affected the tongue. Nothing like that now. I didn't feel the needle going in and there was no affect on my face and tongue. That's progress. Apparently, oldies teeth are generally in fairly poor condition so sayeth the dentist. Decaying and loose teeth are the two main problems and often they are beyond recovery. |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9306 |
When we were teenagers, we were encouraged to have our wisdom-teeth removed now, before they got stuck in the jaw and cost us thousands to remove. I took a gamble, and did NOT have them removed. They have NEVER bothered me - not once, not ever, not even a sore mouth. I wonder how much 'Tooth'  there is in that story too.I suppose it must be more common then not(yes?) that wisdom teeth give more problems then not IF they misbehave. Oh, BTW - my dentist at the time said mine needed to be removed, as they were coming in at an angle and would only cause pain later......not. Perhaps I was just lucky? Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| joebog1 Senior Member  Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114 |
I have some wonderful British Admiralty cable lacing waxed linen thread!!! Its LESS painful than the local anesthetic, works instantly, and saves me $300 per tooth. I have 11 left. Hey sysops !!!! we need smileys with missing teeth :-D Joe |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
Joe, is that 11 teeth left? If that's the case you wouldn't need floss. You could probably put a fork between the teeth. 🤓 The smiley is a bit small but has missing teeth. Got it from the Win 10 on-screen keyboard. Got a smiley for all occasions. Gmail compose has a good set of smileys but so far I can only use them in Gmails. Bob |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
THICK BLOOD Probably one of the biggest surprises to me is how fast fat and sugar molecules enter our bloodstream after they enter our intestines. If they are not tightly attached to other molecules like in a grain or a seed that make our bodies work to remove them then it is literally a few centimeters in and they are over the barrier and into our blood. There is a little party trick that sci-ency dietician types sometimes do. They take some blood from a person then get them to eat a fatty meal take some blood after and compare the two when the constituent parts are spun separated. you can actually see 5-20% of someones blood volume is oil. The question is what happens next? well our bodies have a preference for using glucose and booze as energy first, so if it has a choice and they are available then we keep and store the fat for later. Now this storage process is not quick so the fat does a lot of laps around our bloodstream in the meantime. While this is happening our blood becomes quite thick and hard to pump and in the smallest capillaries it gets down to wiggle room only and after a few sessions we start to get capillaries stopping blood flow altogether. In fact when white blood cells get stuck after a while they give up and release all the antibodies they are carrying at once, its like a mini hand grenade going off, all the surrounding cells are destroyed. These little capillaries supply energy and nutrient and remove the nasty stuff from pretty much all parts of our bodies brain, organs, joints and perhaps one we never think of, the soft muscle that surrounds our arteries. This muscle dilates and contracts to control our blood flow. When the capillaries that feed this muscle block, the muscle is starved of energy and gets fatigued and it basically hangs open and we lose control of our blood pressure. Fortunately we have a coping mechanism our we would be fainting every two minutes, we thicken and stiffen the artery walls and lay down plaques and fats to narrow the tube this gives our heart a fighting chance to cope. Hey, its not perfect but it works! The other big surprise is how early is starts to happen, it is not uncommon to see young children that have evidence of inflammation and fatty streaks in their arteries. So can we change this? yes quite easily! this process is fully reversible and repairable. option one is to go low fat, like really low fat option two is to eat fat in a form that is hard for our bodies to process option three is food containing alpha linolaic acid (ALA), a natural blood thinner. option four, all of the above in combination. I started with option 3, flax or linseed oil and fish oil. This was not a great choice for a variety of reasons, the biggest of which is the oils go rancid and they are still mostly empty kilo-joules and it is possible to have difficulty clotting blood using fish oil, very easy to overdo it. So I switched to ground flax seed, I chop a hand-full fine in a small vitamiser once a week and store it in the fridge and chuck it in most things I cook. That stuff is amazing! I got my first actual bleeding paper cut a week after I switched! I got a good tip from Brenda Davis for option two. Soaking some nuts and seed, drying them and storing them in the freezer makes a difference. A walnut or almond soaked for 36 hours will leach out some anti nutrients that stop seeds from sprouting early, our digestive system gets more nutrition out of them and the dont go bitter stored in the freezer. win-win option one on its own is tough, I dont think it is even possible without removing meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oils from the diet and saving them for special occasions only. However it is extremely effective, clinics that use this to treat type 2 diabetes can usually get 95% of sufferers off their medication and symptom free in under a month. The remaining 5% are also symptom free but with reduced insulin doses. A lot of coaching goes into teaching food choices and preparation, the same programs are also being now used after people have a stroke to stop a recurrence in the following weeks. It is quite a shock to hear this as most of us assume diabetes mellitus is a one way ticket. Truth is we have known since the late 1930's that a low fat high greens high complex carb and legume diet has this effect.It makes our bodies remove fat from inside insulin producing cells in our pancreas which lets a couple of enzymes that were bound to the fat do their job again. A similar thing happens inside our muscle cells fat binds to an enzyme, this breaks the mechanism triggered by insulin that lets glucose into our muscle cells. When you hear the term metabolic syndrome, this is what they are talking about. our pancreas is producing a lot of insulin because our blood sugar is elevated but it never drops because a good % of our muscle cells are not functioning as they should. I think that's enough to ponder on, I might leave this section there. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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