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| brucedownunder2 Guru  Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
I have been advised by my gas supplier that a rental will now be imposed on our 45Kg cooking gas house cylinders- I live at Mt. Tamborine in Queensland and the supplier tells us Origin is supplying his cylinders and they are imposing this rental of $22 per cylinder per year.. I have not signed an aggrement to this ,,so where do i stand in this regard ,if at all? Can I use small bar-b-que gas cylinders for this kitchen only cooking ? The existing pipes are copper and terminate in a purpose built shelter with appropiate 2 way valve switch and copper piping for connection to the cylinders --plus the regulator is fixed to the 2 way valve . What do you think ? Bruce Bushboy |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Bruce I would compare the price of gas if bought in the small cylinders to see if it is worth the effort, on principal I would go for the small cylinders, Bunnings refill price is economical but you have to take into account the cost of fuel driving to bunnings to get the gas. Just cooking, a small cylinder will last around 3 months unless you do a lot of oven baking. The amount they ask is less than $4 a month so is reasonable, the worry is the cost increase of the gas in the future. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Well that`s interesting. Just swapped a empty for a full 45kg at local supply. No mention of cylinder rental but that may be because our fellows up north here are a little behind. I did sign an agreement for cylinders many years back, that agreement was as I recall the cylinders were supplied free providing I bought all gas from that supplier who is Elgas. But if one goes that way the rest will follow in time, no doubt. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| M Del Senior Member  Joined: 09/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 155 |
Been that for some time in the Hunter Valley. We got both the BBQ and decanters in 45kg for a bush trip, after the three weeks in the bush and three weeks back on base we were told to decant all we could and return the bottles as the monthly charge was $12 per bottle (after 30 days), this may have been for short term hire as a friend said it cost him $25(?) a year for hire of the bottles plus swap over for long term use. The 9kg bottles actually worked out cheaper for him in the end as he bought 3 and when one emptied he swapped out whenever he went to town. But you will need to check if the system fitted is required to use a 45kg bottle in your area as who knows what rules the council/gas co have in place. Mark |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
I asked my plumber the same sort of thing a couple years back, "Could I just use swap and go bottles instead of a installed 45kg gas bottle?" Short answer, yes, so long as its installed properly, which is basically a concrete pad for the tank to sit on, and correctly installed pipes and fittings. So I use a 9kg bottle, which I bought from Bunnings for about $25. I think it cost about $15 to fill, been several months since I last needed to. A bottle lasts me a year on my gas cooktop, which I use most nights. I have a 4.5kg bottle on the BBQ as a backup. The advantage of using my own 9kg ( or 4.5kg ) bottles is... 1. I dont need to give anyone access to my property to fill the bottle, as I can lift it easily and take it into town to get filled myself. 2. I dont have to pay rent on the bottle. True the bottle has a life, but $25 for tens years service is cheaper than any rent price I've seen. So all in all I'm pretty happy with just using my own bottles. I think if you were a business that used a lot of gas, like a take away or restaurant, then a 45kg or two with a rental agreement and automatic refills would make sense, but for average Jo, a 9kg or two is I think a cheaper option. But could be wrong, havn't done the maths. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
As Glenn has implied, you can use any gas cylinder that you like, connected to your supply, as all 45 kg and 9 kg cylinders have the same thread attachment. Its a standard left hand thread fitting for LPG, common to most cylinders. Im sure there is a grey area of question in your mind to gas and pressure. The short answer is all LPG is at the same pressure regardless of cylinder size. For example LPG stands for" Liquefied Petroleum gas", As we all know you cannot compress a liquid, so it makes no difference to what cylinder it is in, the gas remains the same as a pressurised liquid, its only the volume of the storage vessle changes the amount of gas in the cylinder. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
We at countryside use bottles like this one. Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
To save some money, I intend to try a rocket stove outside. It seems very economical. Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| domwild Guru Joined: 16/12/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 873 |
$22/year div. 52 weeks is about 40 cents/week. Or $2/12 months is about a bit more than $1.50 / month. Still, I can get drunk on that! Joking aside, we are being attacked financially by all three levels of gov. and have to think of saving more and more, something our three governments rarely do when it comes to privileges like super for pollies. Taxation as a means of achieving prosperity is like a man standing inside a bucket trying to lift himself up. Winston Churchill |
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| domwild Guru Joined: 16/12/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 873 |
Vasi, Love the rocket stove. Just a bit inconvenient having to bend down. Easily fixed, though. When the Ukraine lost the Russian gas all the tenants in the flats cut a hole into the window and installed pot bellies. With lifts stopping as there was no coal the oldies had to lift their shopping and water up along ropes. No power meant wells had to be dug in front of the tilt-up panel flats. Soon most trees in the alleys were cut down for firewood. Taxation as a means of achieving prosperity is like a man standing inside a bucket trying to lift himself up. Winston Churchill |
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| domwild Guru Joined: 16/12/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 873 |
Another problem would be for me not having a trailer or ute with a high bar to tie the bottle to vertically. The dealer would not allow bottles lying down inside the tray. Taxation as a means of achieving prosperity is like a man standing inside a bucket trying to lift himself up. Winston Churchill |
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| brucedownunder2 Guru Joined: 14/09/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1548 |
The gas delivery man came to collect my big size cylinder the other day .. I asked him about B.B.Q. 9 kg cylinders . He told me they are perfect and legal . So, after this second big Cylinder is empty, I'll give it back and go the 2 or 3 bbq cylinders way.. $23 from bunnings and no problems to carry them in my truck. He checked my copper line feeds,took the unused one off and used a brass blocking nipple to make it nice and neat .. Suggested I buy a longer one for the shorter cylinders or build a shelf . Thanks for the Imput , I'm now cleaning out my big water tank buckets full of black sediment--I think it's mainly from the wood fire .. Bruce Bushboy |
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