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| electrondady1 Senior Member  Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
congratulations to my commonwealth cousins on the discovery of such a huge oil reserve. but be prepared of an onslaught by the petroleum industry to hijack your entire county, that's what has happened here in Canada. |
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| VK4AYQ Guru  Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
The further offshore commercialization of Australia with the associated enviro damage to be justified by the mighty dollar. And so Australia will sink further into the mire of globalisation. When will they ever learn. Bob Foolin Around |
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sPuDd Senior Member Joined: 10/07/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 251 |
"Big oil" exists because you continue to buy it. It peeves me to see idiots driving massive fuel guzzling vehicles around shouting about the price of oil. If you used less of it the price would drop and its power would too. sPuDd.. It should work ...in theory |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Back to the horse and cart or the push bike, with the distances we have in australia it is difficult to not have some form of gas guzzler, small solar powered electric cars may be the answer for city dwellers, but with limited range no good in the country. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| sPuDd Senior Member Joined: 10/07/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 251 |
Use efficient vehicles, drive efficiently, consider the reason for travel. /begin rant I recently purchased a new van ($80k) because it is the most efficient on the market while being the most capable at carrying all my tools & stock over the average 800klm/week I do. It means I can cover my large region with everything I need onboard while keeping fuel costs down. I average 8L/100km with ~2.5T combined vehicle & load hiway & city. You don't need an electric (or fuel powered hybrid) to get low consumption. Plenty of efficient vehicles available now. Tradies driving Landlubbers around with a hammer & lunchbox in the tray spewing black unburnt diesel from the exhaust while complaining about filling it with 200L of diesel for 500klm range are clueless. That and parents dropping & picking up kids every day from school. Road clogging, time & fuel wasting idiots. Ride the damm bus! I used to ride my bike 20klm each day to school and take the bus if it was pouring rain. /end rant. sPuDd.. It should work ...in theory |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
domestic consumption ? sorry, no. all that oil has already been allocated for export to .............. |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
More oil for china et al, that's all our stupid government and the commercial masters think of, maximum profit for the corporation maximum royalty for the government to waste and screw the real owners of the asset the people of Australia. Our gas has gone the same way, sold at discount prices overseas while we pay maximum price for it here, it could be used for the benefit of the transport industry but no, only for maximum profit. Spudd, your comments on the use and misuse of cars is an interesting concept that will only be trained into the populace by common sense, the most uncommon thing in our society. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| sPuDd Senior Member Joined: 10/07/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 251 |
Or just raise the price of oil. That’s what sparked the current run on efficient vehicles. Same goes for coal fired electricity. Raise the price & people will scramble to turn off air cons & lights in empty buildings etc. While the price is low people will treat it like water. sPuDd.. It should work ...in theory |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Aint the real problem being the planet is running out of fresh water faster than natural resources. My concern is the waste of fresh water, not so much the use of energy, as energy is a man made product and man will/can find other ways to produce energy, but fresh water is a basis of all life on land and is not a renewable man made resource. We often dont even use fresh water once, and pour it down the drain while waiting on the hot water, or leave the tap running while brushing your teeth, etc...... Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5078 |
Exactly. Fuel ( petrol, diesel ) is dirt cheap. It has been for decades. You look at the amount of work you can get for a dollars worth of petrol! $10 will push me in my ton and half of vehicle at over 100kmh for about 70km, thats enough to get into town and back, in air conditioned comfort. What else could you buy for $10? A burger and coke. So compare a burger and coke to the wonder of traveling at 100kmh for 70km. Petrol is cheap. But we have been conditioned into taking this sort of convenience for granted, and cant imagine life without it. A more sensible approach would be to increase the price of fuel dramatically, and then.... Use electric vehicles in cities where you wouldn't travel more than 100km a day, or use public transport like electric trains or electric/fuel cell buses. Conventional fuel burning vehicles become un-economical to drive, encouraging the buy up of electric vehicles or hybrids. A boom industry in EV conversions would create a lot of employment. Use fuel for long distance travel and city freight, where you would drive more than 100km a day. These would get a discounted fuel price. Use electic rail for freight between major cities. Use diesel trucks and road trains for freight between the major cities and smaller towns. Again these would use discounted fuel. Scale back on coal burning power stations, build new solar power stations. Coal provides night time off peak power and base load, solar for day light power, and make that the cheaper time to use power, encouraging people to charge vehicles, heat water, run pool pumps, etc, during the day instead of night. These changes would slash our dependance on fuel, clean up the air, and mean we have fuel reserves for much longer into the future. It also means the coal industry, oil industry and truck transport industry and its jobs remain in business. But instead of using a growth business model, they adopt a sustainability model. Share holders can get screwed. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| sPuDd Senior Member Joined: 10/07/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 251 |
Glenn, my thoughts 100% on everything you just said. No need for continuous expansion of housing etc. Our unsustainable growth model is wrong. We need to innovate to correct mistakes & improve. Its a shame politicians & the public are stuck in last century. sPuDd.. It should work ...in theory |
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| Ron B Newbie  Joined: 26/04/2013 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5 |
I guess this threaded started out talking about the northern shale oil deposits? The same oil resource Peter Beattie,as Qld premier gave to the American Link corporation for $2 million? . There is no chance Australia will ever get any benefit from anything dug out of the ground or grown in it (Australian wheat board now belongs to overseas investors...as a prime example ) This isn't Norway and we dont have anyone with the norwegian mind set with regards to finance or investments in our government. It resembles Nero's Rome actually. |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
here's part of it. "the Arckaringa Basin in South Australia contain between 133 billion and 233 billion barrels of shale oil trapped in rocks. It is likely that only 3.5 billion barrels, worth almost $359 billion at today’s oil price, could be recovered." just a heads up warning , when the oil starts to flow, the value of your money goes up.then all the other stuff your industries are trying to export will become less competitive. your government is taken over by oil companies and whatever they need to increase production is just what the government does. environmental laws are rescinded. scientists are muzzled. every thing other than oil is put on the back burner your right about Norway, they seem to have gotten a handle on what to do with the money and have billions in the bank. |
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